Air Georgian wheel falls off on take off - YYZ

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Air Georgian wheel falls off on take off - YYZ

#1 Post by CanadianEh » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:16 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/p ... -1.4499345

The Transportation Safety Board is investigating after a wheel of a plane went off a runway at Toronto's Pearson
International Airport on Sunday evening.

A spokeswoman for the Greater Toronto Airports Authority says the Air Georgian flight became temporarily disabled on the taxiway after an aborted takeoff.

Natalie Moncur says a runway edge light was damaged. Georgian Air says the fight—operating as an Air Canada Express flight from Toronto to Hartford, Conn. — was carrying 13 passengers and two crew.

Georgian Air CEO Julie Mailhot says one of the Beech 1900's tires crossed off the main runway onto the adjoining taxiway and the aircraft was returned to the terminal following a safety inspection.

Mailhot says there were no injuries and passengers were rebooked on a flight Monday morning.

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#2 Post by Victory » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:26 pm

lol that image with the strike sign and that teamster's nail polish.
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#3 Post by HansDietrich » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:37 am

I feel bad for the crews there, having to deal with aircraft in such abysmal shape, all due to "cost savings". The AMEs at GGN are the MEL kings of Canada. (This is coming from someone that worked there, a friend, not me. I never worked for GGN)
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#4 Post by DrSpaceman » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:52 am

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#5 Post by skytrucker » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:04 am

The state of their maintenance and the way they treat their pilots, rest and duty time is becoming legendary. Finally regulators are forced to take a look at their practices. Anyone who wants to enter into their mentoring programs should seriously consider other alternatives or increase your life insurance.
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#6 Post by skytrucker » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:05 am

DrSpaceman wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:52 am
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Yup by GTA North :lol: :lol:
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#7 Post by LifeAt90Kts » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:43 am

The way I read it was not that a tire fell off the aircraft, but that the aircraft itself departed the runway during an aborted takeoff. Hitting a runway light in the process.
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#8 Post by lownslow » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:49 am

HansDietrich wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:37 am
I feel bad for the crews there
I don't. With the regionals grabbing up everyone they can, all of Georgian's pilots today have the choice to not fly there.
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#9 Post by ahramin » Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:54 pm

Obviously the reported either completely failed to understand what happened, or is illiterate. I can't figure out if it's a wheel falling off or a runway/taxiway excursion.
wheel of a plane went off a runway ... temporarily disabled on the taxiway after an aborted takeoff ... runway edge light was damaged ... one of the Beech 1900's tires crossed off the main runway onto the adjoining taxiway and the aircraft was returned to the terminal
Dammed if I can figure it out from that description.
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#10 Post by HiFlyChick » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:18 pm

Oh, okay - good to know I wasn't being particularly obtuse....
Disabled on a taxiway after aborting a take-off? And something that sounds like the wheel shot off the plane, hit a runway light on its way off the runway and then across the parallel taxiway. So they're trying to say that they aborted the take-off, lost a wheel, slid off the runway directly onto a taxiway, while the wheel kept going off in another direction, but then they went back to the terminal? Hmmmm... or maybe Professor Plum did it in the kitchen with the wrench....
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#11 Post by RNAV30 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:23 pm

Classic GGN
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#12 Post by C.W.E. » Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:29 pm

If a wheel came off they may have rejected and lost directional control or maybe they had two PNF in that airplane?
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#13 Post by shabadoo » Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:19 pm

No wheels came off the plane.
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#14 Post by GyvAir » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:18 pm

C.W.E. wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:29 pm
or maybe they had two PNF in that airplane?
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#15 Post by Air.Field » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:35 pm

I'm no fan of GGN, but words like classic ggn or abysmal shape seems to me those forgotten AC had a tyre fall off in April 2017 http://nationalpost.com/news/air-canada ... in-england
Classic Air Canada? Abysmal shape those 330s are?
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#16 Post by xlwing » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:44 pm

Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets doing upgrade indoc who lined up with the runway edge lights and took off, hitting the lights.
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#17 Post by infiniteregulus » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:48 pm

How am I not surprised....
Impact on operations: Moderate
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#18 Post by C.W.E. » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:50 pm

Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets doing upgrade indoc who lined up with the runway edge lights and took off, hitting the lights.
Was he alone and had left the training pilot in the terminal?
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#19 Post by HansDietrich » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm

lownslow wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:49 am
HansDietrich wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:37 am
I feel bad for the crews there
I don't. With the regionals grabbing up everyone they can, all of Georgian's pilots today have the choice to not fly there.
Oh come on. These are guys and girls that want a job, just like the rest of us. I feel for them and I hope they get a better deal one day.
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#20 Post by Inverted2 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:29 pm

xlwing wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:44 pm
Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets doing upgrade indoc who lined up with the runway edge lights and took off, hitting the lights.
Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder?
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#21 Post by FranklyFrank89 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:56 pm

xlwing wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:44 pm
Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets doing upgrade indoc who lined up with the runway edge lights and took off, hitting the lights.
xlwing totally wrong! The person going left seat totally had no place in there! He failed multiple times during his FO training. I spoke to an ex training captain who was there. Said he refused to sign the candidate off. And he wasn't the only one who spoke up about that candidate.

So this was NOT one of those cadets you guys like to pick on! They are far better than the guys coming off the street!

This is an issue deep rooted within the company. Not having any one walking in the door and upgrades who shouldn't even been there!! The training standards! Crew schedulers pushing line indoc captains to sign people off, CP threatening those there who stand up saying it's going to affect their chances at AC. Deeper problem than what we saw two nights ago. That place will kill people! Just a matter of time.

From what I've heard, they lined up with the edge lights and took off. Had major engine damage, thought it was a rudder issue and return to land. Major engine overhaul needed.

So don't listen to everything you read on the media. THE GGN spokeslady has a way to turning and twisting the truth. She rolled into GGN on her high horse a few years back and frankly she's been the worst!

Anyways mods, delete this thread now. Cover up the truth as usual.

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#22 Post by HiFlyChick » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:07 pm

shabadoo wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 4:19 pm
No wheels came off the plane.
Ohhhhhh! I guess I did too much paperwork without enough coffee today :) I actually was reading about the wheel of the plane did this and that and pictured just the wheel of the plane going hurtling here and there. Boy do I feel silly, and for the record, I'm not a troll, just going a bit gaga with paperwork today - thanks Shabadoo :oops:

Just checked the CADORS:
Occurrence Summary
Date Entered:2018-01-23
Narrative:
An Air Georgian Beech 1900D (GGN7298) from Toronto/ Lester B. Pearson, ON (CYYZ) to Windsor Locks- Bradley, CT (KBDL) was departing Runway 06L when the aircraft veered off the left side of the runway and rejected the take off. Impact on operations: moderate.
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#23 Post by pelmet » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:08 pm

infiniteregulus wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:48 pm
How am I not surprised....
Impact on operations: Moderate
:lol:
Now some people are not surprised that GGN would do something like line up with the taxiway edge lights by accident but would you be surprised if AC mainline did it?

http://www.bst-tsb.gc.ca/eng/rapports-r ... 6f0014.pdf
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#24 Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:06 am

Air Canada does significantly more flying than Georgian. 10,000 departures at 0.1% incident rate or 1000 departures and 1% incident rate is the same number of incidences. (Numbers are fictitious to illustrate the point).
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#25 Post by aerie » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:19 pm

xlwing wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:44 pm
Word on the street is that it was one of the cadets...
Nope.
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