Cliff Jumper wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:42 pm
Agreed, no point to look into it any further. No single other crew on the planet could have made that error. So, why bother trying to understand it.
Who said we shouldn't try and understand it? FFS.
I only stated that ultimately, it's up to us - not ATC or the EGPWS or the regulations or someone's language ability or lack thereof - to ensure terrain clearance.
Yes, on vectors that responsibility is delegated to ATC. But 1) that isn't relevant to this specific incident and 2) that doesn't mean you shut your brain off and completely abdicate your responsibility to maintain situational awareness. So, to the smartass who asked "what about on vectors", hell yes if they give me a clearance that doesn't make sense I will absolutely refuse. Wouldn't be the first time I've "self-vectored" myself in places like MNL or BKK on some dark shitty night.
Everyone looking around for blame when it seems like the crew just couldn't read a damn chart.
Let me put it another way. Regardless of the tech, regardless of what ATC clears me to, regardless of what I heard or thought I heard, regardless of what the regs say in Canada or Mexico or Timbuktu: if I know I'm only safe to 10,000 feet, I'm not descending below 10,000 feet.
Not. So. Complicated.
I’m still waiting for my white male privilege membership card. Must have gotten lost in the mail.