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I'm almost speechless after reading/watching this news coverage. Yet another example of the media trying to sound credible while having no idea what they are talking about. Castanet (great name for a news agency; guess Throwagainstwall was already taken) wins the award for most clueless aviation reporting so far this year. (Kathryn's Report linked to have everything in one spot.)

Cessna 560XL Citation Excel, N629QS: Incident occurred March 05, 2018 at Kelowna International Airport (YLW), British Columbia, Canada

March 05, 2018
UPDATE 2:05 p.m.

A group of passengers are thanking their lucky stars this afternoon after their quick thinking pilot alerted firefighters about his brakes overheating.

The privately owned Cessna 560XL Citation Excel was preparing for take-off when the pilot noticed his brakes were overheating.

A quick check with the tower and the flight was cancelled. Seven passengers had to be escorted off the plane.

Crews could be seen working on the plane as of 2 o'clock this afternoon.

ORIGINAL 12:43 p.m.

Passengers were taken off a private plane at Kelowna International Airport this morning after the pilot reported brake issues.

An airport issued statement reported that the incident happened around 10:40 a.m. and involved a privately owned Cessna 560XL Citation Excel.

The pilot advised the air traffic control tower of an issue with overheating brakes, while taxiing to the runway.

"Kelowna International Airport’s Aircraft Rescue Firefighting team was dispatched to assist the aircraft and cool the brakes."

Passengers were deplaned and the aircraft will be towed to the hangar for inspection.

There was no disruption to scheduled flight service at YLW.

March 9, 2018
UPDATE: 12:47 p.m.

Since Castanet published a report on a Cessna 560XL Citation Excel safety issue at YLW earlier this week, we have since learned more about what is being called "a really dumb move on the pilot's behalf, that put lives at risk."

Airline fueling regulations require pilots to provide precise fuel specifications based on weight, type of aircraft, number of passengers and baggage, plus distance to be traveled. In this case, that formal request was provided and the prescribed amount of fuel was pumped into the Cessna 560XL Citation Excel.

Once fuelling was complete, the pilots determined they had made a mistake, but instead of de-fuelling, they chose a risky maneuver, much like a burnout in a muscle car, to burn off the excess fuel.

The subsequent overheating caused both tires to blow, and the fire was so hot the landing gear had to be completely replaced. There were seven passengers on board the plane who needed to be evacuated.

Each tire is worth up to $60,000, and the entire cost of the escapade could reach $300,000, sources say.

In addition, the Cessna 560XL Citation Excel sat on the taxiway for almost eight hours before it could be towed into a hangar for repairs.

The Cessna 560XL Citation Excel is still being worked on five days later.

ORIGINAL: 5 a.m.

An incident at Kelowna International Airport has been referred to the Transportation Safety Board after seven passengers had to be escorted off a private plane, Monday.

Castanet has learned the pilot may have been performing a high-risk maneuver to avoid having fuel removed from the Cessna 560XL Citation Excel.

An airport employee tells Castanet the U.S.-owned Cessna 560XL Citation Excel fuel tanks were filled past the safety cutoff, and instead of calling crews back and emptying the tanks to the prescribed safety level, the pilot revved the engines and applied the brakes as the plane was taxiing to burn off the excess fuel.

The end result was two flat tires, overheated brakes and seven passengers evacuated from the plane as a safety precaution.

YLW airport manager Sam Sammadar said: "This is a rare occurrence, but we do have incidents like this one from time to time – but we do have a safety managementsystem, and it's robust. We always investigate the cause of these kinds of incidents and look at how they can be mitigated in the future."

Sammadar says the TSB has been notified.

Eric Collard with TSB in Gatineau, Que., says staff are looking into the incident, but have not launched a full investigation at this point.

"We are aware of the occurrence and we are gathering information, but it's too early to tell if we're going to be doing a full investigation," he said.

At this point, Collard says this is what they know: "A privately operated, foreign, U.S.-registered Cessna Citation was taxiing for departure. The main brakes were dragging, the brakes overheated and began to smoke, two tires went flat and the local response team responded."

Collard indicated the public can anonymously volunteer information through the TSB website in regards to transportation safety issues.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2018/03/c ... s.html?m=1
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Post by J31 »

I'm speechless that a Citation pilot can drag his brakes so badly in Kelowna that they are almost on fire! :shock:

CADORS 2018P0340

A NetJets Aviation Cessna 560XL (N629QS/EJA629) from Kelowna, BC (CYLW) to Denver, CO (KDEN) taxied out for departure and its tires were observed to be smoking. Aircraft Rescue and Fire Fighting (ARFF) attended.

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/C ... d2018P0340
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I'm surprised the tires are "up to $60,000 each".

It is accurate however.

My hoohah is up to 18 inches long.
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Post by Victory »

What's wrong with the report? If they weren't riding the brakes how did they overheat so badly?
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Post by aeroncasuperchief »

It is not unheard of that a pilot would taxi to the holding bay and burn off some fuel whilst stopped BUT burning off fuel at above taxiing thrust while taxiing is unheard of and STUPID! Unlikely it would happen except in rare cases, but alas , we have examples of Corporate pilots doing some really stupid things !!!
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I don’t think you should specify CORPORATE PILOTS I believe it should be all pilots.
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Cliff Jumper wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:28 pm I'm surprised the tires are "up to $60,000 each".

It is accurate however.

My hoohah is up to 18 inches long.
My guess would be the brakes are included in that amount
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Brakes are designed to convert kinetic energy in to heat and then dissipate it.
It sounds like this flight crew imparted a lot of energy in to these brakes, without the airflow to remove the accumulated heat. If they were stationary it would be no issue.
The outcome is, the fuse plugs in the wheels melt and they deflate. This is a safety feature to prevent the wheel assemblies from exploding.
After recovering this aircraft. The wheels and brakes would get replaced to get it back in to service ASAP. One of the most expensive things is downtime.
The tires would be scrapped. Tires cost hundreds of dollars. (comparatively cheap by airplane standards). The wheels would get inspected visually and by NDT.
They would likely pass, have new fuse plugs installed and get put back in service with new rubber, O-rings etc. This would cost in the thousands each (give or take).
If the wheels are scrap then they would cost in the tens of thousands each to replace.
Brakes are designed to put up with a lot of heat. These brakes would likely be fine, but prudence would have them get overhauled after an incident such as this.
Outright replacement of brake assy's would be in the $50,000 each range.

The statement that "tires are up to $60,000 each" is misleading. Tires are one of the cheapest parts compared to wheels and brakes.
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