Navajo lands on the street in yyc

[AvifiskAlly]

Do NOT question CWE.

He has been flying for over 60 years, without an accident on record. He learned how to fly an airbus IN THE FACTORY. He worked for a major movie studio and was paid very well for it. He also holds an autogyro licence AND flew airshows in Europe.

I don't know him, but I know this because he reminds us every other month. We could learn a thing or two. HANG EM ALL, LET TC SORT EM OUT.

And....... what is your point

[C.W.E.]

He has been flying for over 60 years,

To be accurate I will have completed 65 years since my first flying lesson on June 23, less than two months from now.

[AuxBatOn]

He has been flying for over 60 years,

To be accurate I will have completed 65 years since my first flying lesson on June 23, less than two months from now.

Cool story bro.

[Schooner69A]

"...have completed 65 years since my first flying lesson..."

Ya old toad. You got me beat by five years! (;>0)

[tsgas]

never put all of your faith into fuel gauges, which are often referred to as , idiot gauges.

[pelmet]

He has been flying for over 60 years,

To be accurate I will have completed 65 years since my first flying lesson on June 23, less than two months from now.

Cool story bro.

60 years is nothing. Had a lesson last year from a 93 year old former WWII B-17 pilot in his Ercoupe down in LaPorte, Texas. He was shot down in Italy and spent the last 6 months of the war in a Stalag Luft camp(his second bailout). He wrote a book about it. And he is still actively flying. And this year.....flew with him again in his Legend Cub. Nice airplanes, cool guy, great wife. They hang out at the airport 6 days a week and also sell aircraft parts. He is in good health and has a sharp memory. Only his hearing is going.

[Jack Klumpus]

Do NOT question CWE.
He learned how to fly an airbus IN THE FACTORY.

I learned how to fly an Airbus in the factory. Does that make me anymore special?

[pelmet]

In case it wasn't posted earlier....

"C-FCWW, a Piper PA-31-350 aircraft operated by Super T Aviation Academy, was conducting a flight from Medicine Hat, AB (CYXH) to Calgary Intl, AB (CYYC) with 2 pilots and 4 passengers on board. After being cleared for the visual approach to Runway 35L at CYYC, the flight crew observed that the right fuel boost pump light had illuminated. The pilot requested a runway change to 35R and, a few minutes later, both engines (Avco Lycoming (L)TIO-540-J2BD) lost enough power that the pilot was unable to make the runway. A forced landing was conducted onto 36th Street NE, 2.8 nautical miles South of the threshold of Runway 35R. Shortly after touchdown just South of 16th Ave NE (Trans-Canada Highway), the outer right wing struck a pole and severed about 4 feet of wing. The left propeller struck some concrete structures, curling the outer portion of the three propeller blades. When the aircraft came to a complete stop, the first officer assisted the passengers in evacuating the aircraft. There were no injuries to the occupants or persons on the ground. The ELT did not activate."

[confusedalot]

Sketchy information to say the least.

Are we to assume that this was fuel starvation or fuel contamination?

Did a good 5000 hours or more in light piston twins, the worst that happened was a throttle cable failure which led to one engine shutdown leading to single engine operations, which is easily manageable and no dramas. Happened once, and that is all.

[AuxBatOn]

Sketchy information to say the least.

Actually, it would be better described as factual information.

Are we to assume that this was fuel starvation or fuel contamination?

Why not wait till the investigators do their work instead of assuming on insufficient facts to make a determination?

[upnatem]

Sketchy information to say the least.

Actually, it would be better described as factual information.

Are we to assume that this was fuel starvation or fuel contamination?

Why not wait till the investigators do their work instead of assuming on insufficient facts to make a determination?

From Merriam's dictionary:

sketchy = wanting in completeness, clearness, or substance

ergo, insufficient facts = sketchy.

You're saying the same thing.

[cncpc]

I've got a few hundred hours on Navajos, but don't remember why a fuel pump (switch I assume) would illuminate? Is it saying "Turn me on"?

[confusedalot]

Sketchy information to say the least.

Actually, it would be better described as factual information.

Are we to assume that this was fuel starvation or fuel contamination?

Why not wait till the investigators do their work instead of assuming on insufficient facts to make a determination?

From Merriam's dictionary:

sketchy = wanting in completeness, clearness, or substance

ergo, insufficient facts = sketchy.

You're saying the same thing.

Thank you. That is all I am trying to convey. Far removed from the piston twin world after many decades, and I have substantial navajo time, but I am still interested in how this sort of thing could happen, especially since this sort of situation never even came close to happening to me. Too curious I suppose.

[C.W.E.]

Yes for sure this was a very interesting accident and maybe eventually the cause will be known.

[Flypilot]

Fuel starvation will illuminate the fuel pump inop light. They may have forgotten to switch to inboard tanks for landing or ran out altogether.

[co-joe]

In future I think this incident should be called; "The miracle on 36th street".

[C.W.E.]

It may be a bit early to call it a miracle because we don't know why the flight ended up landing on 36th. st. instead of the runway at the airport.

Anyone have any idea why it takes so long for the government to figure out why these accidents happen, or is it really not important for us to know.

[Rockie]

It may be a bit early to call it a miracle because we don't know why the flight ended up landing on 36th. st. instead of the runway at the airport.

Anyone have any idea why it takes so long for the government to figure out why these accidents happen, or is it really not important for us to know.

I’ll take a stab at that. Maybe it’s because they care about getting it right, and like every other government department there are too few staff for too many tasks.

Just a guess.

[C.W.E.]

Far removed from the piston twin world after many decades, and I have substantial navajo time, but I am still interested in how this sort of thing could happen, especially since this sort of situation never even came close to happening to me. Too curious I suppose.

Here is what we know so far confusedalot.

After being cleared for the visual approach to Runway 35L at CYYC, the flight crew observed that the right fuel boost pump light had illuminated. The pilot requested a runway change to 35R and, a few minutes later, both engines (Avco Lycoming (L)TIO-540-J2BD) lost enough power that the pilot was unable to make the runway. A forced landing was conducted onto 36th Street NE, 2.8 nautical miles South of the threshold of Runway 35R.

It appears the right fuel boost pump illuminated and then both engines lost enough power to cause a " hard landing " on 36th street.

Also we should not be to curious about these things because the authorities will in all good time explain this to us, so lets try and be good little children and not be to inquisitive.

Mike Adam, an investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, said it's too early to speculate on a cause for the emergency landing.

"We will be collecting data, we'll conduct witness interviews, we'll examine and photograph the wreckage," he said.

"We'll also examine the maintenance history, meteorological conditions, operation of the equipment, operation policies, and regulation requirements."

It is comforting to know they are going to make sure the weather did not contribute to this accident, hopefully that should not take to long to determine.

[confusedalot]

Thanks,

Decades of separation and my little brain being filled up with other details of flying machines that in a perfect world I would rather not have to do, has put me into the brain dump mode for the sole purpose of making room for other airplanes.

So.........with my very limited recollection of the navajo, and I mean very limited, an electric fuel boost pump light means one of two things. The pump is not on, or the pump is not getting any feed. That wold rule out contaminated fuel since the light does not differentiate between any sort of liquid.

As I recall, the engines still run even if the boost pumps are not in the on position. The mechanical engine mounted pump can easily draw liquid from the tanks on their own.

I shall not jump to a very obvious conclusion, let the tsb types sort it out.