Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

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Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:16 pm

Is it possible to rename AC "Air Red" to prevent further embarassment to Canada if AC continues to draw attention to itself? At least no lives were threatened this time, just thousands of travel plans messed up...
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by altiplano » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:52 pm

Says the PPL with aspirations of part time flight instruction.

Get some credibility before you start to cast stones at experienced guys who flew 10s of thousands of incident free hours before making a minor mistake that was corrected and is really only an issue because the media ran with it and... Let alone defaming entire organisation with thousands of pilots...

Any idea how many taxi incursions/wrong turns there are daily in the world?

Stick with your aspirations of getting big time into Microsoft Flight Sim...
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Loner » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:02 pm

altiplano wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:52 pm
Says the PPL with aspirations of part time flight instruction.

Get some credibility before you start to cast stones at experienced guys who flew 10s of thousands of incident free hours before making a minor mistake that was corrected and is really only an issue because the media ran with it and... Let alone defaming entire organisation with thousands of pilots...

Any idea how many taxi incursions/wrong turns there are daily in the world?

Stick with your aspirations of getting big time into Microsoft Flight Sim...
Hear! hear!
And just in case some readers wonder...
Here is an extract from one of Duele’s post
“ I'm a private pilot but think I'd enjoy teaching one day, as it would provide a little more purpose to my hobby ”
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by FL007 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:12 pm

Sounds like this duele guy should be the resident expert on the evening news.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:22 pm

Lol I expected that. I'm not pretending to be anything that I'm not. The fact that I'm a PPL incapable of even starting up those aircraft doesn't diminish the fact that AC is becoming the comedy section of the aviation news.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Loner » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:29 pm

duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:22 pm
Lol I expected that. I'm not pretending to be anything that I'm not. The fact that I'm a PPL incapable of even starting up those aircraft doesn't diminish the fact that AC is becoming the comedy section of the aviation news.
Stick to your “joy”stick and let the professionals do their job.
The day you’ll have a real flying job like most of us and depend on it financially then you can play sarcasm.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:52 pm

Sorry, forgot it was a crime to imply that pilots are capable of making mistakes and to mention it in the rare event they ever do. I will turn my badge in to the mods. Sorry about this.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by C.W.E. » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:55 pm

No need to quit posting here duele, you have as much right to express your opinion as anyone else here.

I used to be a " professional " pilot and I am not offended by your posts.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Old fella » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:28 pm

Best not to feed trolls folks. Why waste your energy typing and the cost of yer bandwidth commenting on that dudes rather silly musings.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Brock_Landers » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:32 pm

Would it be possible for someone to post a link or something so I know what the hell everyone is talking about?
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by cncpc » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm

duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:22 pm
Lol I expected that. I'm not pretending to be anything that I'm not. The fact that I'm a PPL incapable of even starting up those aircraft doesn't diminish the fact that AC is becoming the comedy section of the aviation news.
Listen to what the grown-ups are telling you.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:12 pm

I'm just trying to keep everyone apprised of the murmerings among the non-flying population.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by privateer » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:49 pm

Considering how vast of an operation AC is I find it amusing that you're making armchair quarterback comments.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by cncpc » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:42 pm

duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:12 pm
I'm just trying to keep everyone appraised of the murmerings among the non-flying population.
Why? I'm fairly sure I've never asked myself, in the last two decades, what the non flying population were murmuring about.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:44 pm

Brock_Landers wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:32 pm
Would it be possible for someone to post a link or something so I know what the hell everyone is talking about?
https://www.narcity.com/news/an-air-can ... aycampaign

I guess we're not supposed to talk about it though haha. Ssshhhhhhh
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:50 pm

cncpc wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:42 pm
duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:12 pm
I'm just trying to keep everyone appraised of the murmerings among the non-flying population.
Why? I'm fairly sure I've never asked myself, in the last two decades, what the non flying population were murmuring about.
Well I mean they are your customers. Not surprised however given customer service is generally not a priority for AC. I hope you're with AC or that one doesn't really work. Fingers crossed
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by altiplano » Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:50 pm

The non-flying population are not Air Canada's customers.

The flying population tends to actually like the airline for the most part... of course there are errors from time to time in any scale of operation that size, and all you hear in the media is this very small minority of errors or mistakes customer service related or otherwise and whether deserved or not. Canadian media definitely like piling it on AC when they think they can.

It's a trend to pile in on airlines these days, and ignorant followers, without much or any actual experience with the airline like to get their 2bits in too. Kinda like you... no relevant piloting experience, don't fly with the airline, just like to get your troll game on...

This was an unfortunate mistake, but was handled by the crew as well as can be expected afterward. There are 1000s of taxiway errors per year in the US alone, let alone worldwide. I think NRT Ops botched their end of it with nonstandard markings, no NOTAMS, no charts showing the taxiway, and then a slow response to push it back and reopen the runway afterwards.

Life goes on. 1000s of AC professions pilots will continue to operate 1000s of flights a day without issue...
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by complexintentions » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:10 am

duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:12 pm
I'm just trying to keep everyone apprised of the murmerings among the non-flying population.
I agree with Chuck, you're more than welcome to express your opinions. Tabloid news is so "now", after all. You do realize this particular incident was already covered on AvCanada elsewhere, right?

But when I read your quoted remarks I just "murmer" to myself..."Who the F$CK does this guy think he is, does he actually believe he speaks for the non-flying population and needs to 'apprise everyone'?"

Gabor, is that you?

So yeah. Post away. Just be aware that you sound like the embarrassingly arrogant amateur a-hole that apparently, you are! :mrgreen:
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by TheStig » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:29 am

duele wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:16 pm
Is it possible to rename AC "Air Red" to prevent further embarassment to Canada if AC continues to draw attention to itself? At least no lives were threatened this time, just thousands of travel plans messed up...
Some clickbait internet 'news' article? Really? Let me guess you also hate Rogers, the Maple Leafs, dislike Americans in a very generic sense and a bunch other tired old Canadian stereotypes?

This incident didn't "Just shut down Japan's biggest airport", it shut down a runway, there's a difference.

"Air Canada is one of Canada's biggest airlines", no it is Canada's biggest, it's about 3 times the size of the next biggest.

"but that doesn't mean it is our favourite. The company has terrible reviews online and their social media pages seemed to be filled with complaints about delayed or cancelled flights, lost luggage, and less than impressive customer service." 7 out of the last 9 years it's been voted by customers as North Americas best carrier. But apparently at Carleton in 'J school' they teach you to report whatever your bias can find, then cut and paste from twitter and facebook.

Fact is it's easy to make enemies in the airline world. Air Canada flies over 45 million passengers a year from all over the globe, weather happens, aircraft defects happen, and mistakes happen. I'm always amazed at how calmly and professional Customer Service Agents and Flight Attendants act when you see the abuse the front line staff absorb on a daily basis from stressed out travellers.

Type 'excursion' into Avhearald.com and read through some of the reports. As a pilot you should be aware of the difference between an Undesirable Aircraft State UAS and making a wrong turn. Airlines spend an enormous amount of time obtaining reports, FDA data, working with aircraft manufacturers, regulating bodies, safety boards and training pilots to prevent incidents and accidents. What happened in NRT was undesirable but the threat was low, what happened in SFO would be an undesirable aircraft state and the threat was very high. I think we can all agree that an airlines' safety department should be using their resources addressing threats that rank higher on a risk matrix as opposed to what is retweeted the most on social media.

Threat and Error Management is the current focus, I'd suggest spending some time reading through whatever you can dig up on that subject and less time clicking on links with "... And It's Just So Embarrassing"
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:44 am

I'm actually American haha and I do have a Rogers wireless plan. I don't like the Maple Leafs but only because of Kadri mostly.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Old fella » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:23 pm

Narcity media is an online media source city based focused or caters to Millennials and into celebrities and sponsored content. It isn’t a media source noted for analysis on any subject let alone Aviation or Airline operations. The individual who did the initial post provided a link to Narcity as his/her reference material suffice it to say, it isn’t serious nor quality journalism best to be ignored in my view.
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by trey kule » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:10 pm

Yep, an untrusted source. Dodgey as all get out. No one should beieve it.

So lets clear it up.
No Air Canada jet taxied onto a closed taxiway and got stuck in Japan.
It did not happen.
It is all fake news.

Duele is the anti christ .
I can not understand why he has not been tracked down, tarred and feathered , and forced to retract his OP.
We have only been saved by the big red gang who showed up to post en masse to correct this awful and totally fake news. I for one, salute your professionalism.

And toast your dedication with the French wine you serve on overseas flights. ( So much better than anything Canada produces)
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by C.W.E. » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:17 pm

So lets clear it up. No Air Canada jet taxied onto a closed taxiway and got stuck in Japan.
Exactly, it was a " Hard parking incident "

Kind of boring compared the their exciting approach to that taxi way episode with the line up of waiting airliners in SFO. :)
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by Loner » Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:21 pm

trey kule wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 3:10 pm
And toast your dedication with the French wine you serve on overseas flights. ( So much better than anything Canada produces)
Are you a sommelier? If not, what qualifies you to talk about wine? :lol:
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Re: Tokyo. Strike 3 you're out

Post by duele » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:57 pm

Thanks Trey Kule I was wondering if reinforcements would show up.

And sorry Altiplano, by non-flying, I meant non-pilots

Anyway, if the AC pilots can exercise extra special caution and not show up on narcity news again until Christmas, a round of in-flight WestJet pringles on me.
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