The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
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The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
With BRS(watch the pilots right hand in a real accident from a spin test that became unrecoverable)…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZrtYgnP7s
Without BRS....
"C-IKGC, a privately operated Spectrum Beaver basic ultra-light aircraft, had just departed for a sight-seeing flight from Indus/Winters Aire Park, AB (CFY4) with one person on board. As the aircraft was in the climb passing approximately 800 feet above the ground, the engine stopped. The pilot checked the fuel valves and tried to restart the engine, however with no success. Seeing a canola field below the aircraft, the pilot elected to activate a spring-loaded parachute device to slow down the descent. Unable to release the parachute with the left hand, the pilot slipped the right shoulder out of the harness, released the grip on the control stick, and tried to pull the parachute release with both hands. During this action, the aircraft experienced an aerodynamic stall of the wings. The pilot was unable to recover from the stall before the impact with the ground. The aircraft was substantially damaged, and the pilot sustained serious injuries. A witness called 911 and both fire services and ambulance attended. There was no fire, and the emergency locater transmitter (ELT) did not activate."
I have flown three types with a BRS. In the Cirrus, the pin is always pulled from the handle before engine start. But in the LSA's, the handle is in the same area as the aircraft in the video and the instructors recommended when checking me out to leave the pin in place, just in case the handle was to accidentally be pulled. What do you do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwZrtYgnP7s
Without BRS....
"C-IKGC, a privately operated Spectrum Beaver basic ultra-light aircraft, had just departed for a sight-seeing flight from Indus/Winters Aire Park, AB (CFY4) with one person on board. As the aircraft was in the climb passing approximately 800 feet above the ground, the engine stopped. The pilot checked the fuel valves and tried to restart the engine, however with no success. Seeing a canola field below the aircraft, the pilot elected to activate a spring-loaded parachute device to slow down the descent. Unable to release the parachute with the left hand, the pilot slipped the right shoulder out of the harness, released the grip on the control stick, and tried to pull the parachute release with both hands. During this action, the aircraft experienced an aerodynamic stall of the wings. The pilot was unable to recover from the stall before the impact with the ground. The aircraft was substantially damaged, and the pilot sustained serious injuries. A witness called 911 and both fire services and ambulance attended. There was no fire, and the emergency locater transmitter (ELT) did not activate."
I have flown three types with a BRS. In the Cirrus, the pin is always pulled from the handle before engine start. But in the LSA's, the handle is in the same area as the aircraft in the video and the instructors recommended when checking me out to leave the pin in place, just in case the handle was to accidentally be pulled. What do you do?
Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
Follow the manufacturer's instructions? It should be no different than other emergency equipment. How many inadvertent parachute releases have there been?
BRS = Ballistic Recovery Systems (manufacturer of ballistic parachutes)
BRS = Ballistic Recovery Systems (manufacturer of ballistic parachutes)
Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
Most of these chutes are BRS, they started in the experimental market prior to going certified
Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
One LSA POH says to remove the safety pin for flight. The other mentions the BRS as installed equipment but gives no direction. I personally leave the pin installed except on the Cirrus where accidental deployment is unlikely. Maybe it is unlikely on the LSA's as well with the handles on the lower panel but an instructor did say that a student mistakenly grabbed the BRS handle on him once.
I'm sure instructors on this forum have seen a student grab the wrong thing before. Maybe a passenger would also for some inexplicable reason(like a handle to hold onto in turbulence).
I'm sure instructors on this forum have seen a student grab the wrong thing before. Maybe a passenger would also for some inexplicable reason(like a handle to hold onto in turbulence).
Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
Flew one of the types again the other day. The safety pin has been removed by the flight school(which is owned by the aircraft manufacturer) and has been replaced with a secured tie wrap now holding it permanently in position. I guess they don't want it used.
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Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
Sounds like an episode of "Inspector Gadget" to me. How about just gliding to a landing in the canola field without all the pricking around with spring-loaded parachute contraptions? The issue here is inadequate flying training.pelmet wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:04 pm
"C-IKGC, a privately operated Spectrum Beaver basic ultra-light aircraft, had just departed for a sight-seeing flight from Indus/Winters Aire Park, AB (CFY4) with one person on board. As the aircraft was in the climb passing approximately 800 feet above the ground, the engine stopped. The pilot checked the fuel valves and tried to restart the engine, however with no success. Seeing a canola field below the aircraft, the pilot elected to activate a spring-loaded parachute device to slow down the descent. Unable to release the parachute with the left hand, the pilot slipped the right shoulder out of the harness, released the grip on the control stick, and tried to pull the parachute release with both hands. During this action, the aircraft experienced an aerodynamic stall of the wings. The pilot was unable to recover from the stall before the impact with the ground. The aircraft was substantially damaged, and the pilot sustained serious injuries. A witness called 911 and both fire services and ambulance attended. There was no fire, and the emergency locater transmitter (ELT) did not activate.
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No way! Like Cirrus says "Pull early, pull often."
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Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
Got updated info on the tie wrap. According to a maintenance person at the assembly site/flying school, the tie wrap is one of those thin ones and is supposed to break with a 28lb pull force. I didn't know those little tie wraps required only that amount of force to break. Felt like trying but decided not to.
Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
So it is being used as a witness wire. We have this on glider canopy releases. In the event of an emergency, grab the handles to release (wire breaks) and bail.pelmet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:47 pmGot updated info on the tie wrap. According to a maintenance person at the assembly site/flying school, the tie wrap is one of those thin ones and is supposed to break with a 28lb pull force. I didn't know those little tie wraps required only that amount of force to break. Felt like trying but decided not to.
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Re: The difference between a BRS and non-BRS chute
My guess is that it is there to prevent accidental deployments.JasonE wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:10 amSo it is being used as a witness wire. We have this on glider canopy releases. In the event of an emergency, grab the handles to release (wire breaks) and bail.pelmet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:47 pmGot updated info on the tie wrap. According to a maintenance person at the assembly site/flying school, the tie wrap is one of those thin ones and is supposed to break with a 28lb pull force. I didn't know those little tie wraps required only that amount of force to break. Felt like trying but decided not to.