Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

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Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#1 Post by JBI » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:28 am

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-sco ... -1.4895103

Crew of 5 treated for minor injuries. Aircraft in one piece, but very damaged off the end of 32

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/news/ ... rt-257275/
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#2 Post by Jet Jockey » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:47 am

Glad everyone is OK but that aircraft is most likely a write-off.
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#3 Post by CL-Skadoo! » Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:51 am

I'd say so...

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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#4 Post by Roadrunnersmother » Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:30 am

Whoever is spokesperson for airport authority should be fired.
Aircraft went off end of RW14 which is near the golf course, not RW32 that the airport spokesperson said.
How can you get a job as spokesperson with little knowledge.
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#5 Post by rigpiggy » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:35 am

Anybody have the wx for the accident time?
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#6 Post by lostaviator » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:45 am

rigpiggy wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:35 am
Anybody have the wx for the accident time?
If you google metar history there’s a website that stores every report.

From a speci minutes after the accident:

230-11-g18. 8sm. -RA BR. SCT005. BKN012. 13/13
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#7 Post by tbayav8er » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:56 am

I know 23 is under construction and most of the approaches are unusable, but I wonder what the LNAV minimums are. ~8500 ft available for landing on 23 even with the construction and 18 kts on the nose as opposed to 7500' and no headwind.

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#8 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:12 am

Does anyone have the Notamns ? It could shed light on the choice of runway.....
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#9 Post by Gilles Hudicourt » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:28 am

tbayav8er wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:56 am
but I wonder what the LNAV minimums are. ~8500 ft available for landing on 23 even with the construction and 18 kts on the nose as opposed to 7500' and no headwind
I checked the plates. There are many variables, don’t know what their equipment and ops specs allow. Plus, one would also need to see the Notams, in case these modified the published minimums.
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#10 Post by lostaviator » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:29 am

Approaches on 23 are very limited right now.

With magnetic variation from the metar winds, 32 was their next best choice.
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#11 Post by lostaviator » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:36 am

And it’s not like our notams are ever misleading.... seeing rnav 23 LNAV/VNAV not auth piled in there with all the others, they could have missed the fact the LNAV mins were still useable.
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#12 Post by Inverted2 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:38 am

I don’t get why this airport waited till fall to do runway construction when all the fall windstorms show up. Now there won’t likely be any ILS approaches for a week or 2 till they clean up that giant mess.
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#13 Post by lostaviator » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:44 am

With all the horrible reporting (runway 2???), I thought they landed on 32, but it was 14. Little bit of a tail wind, wet runway, big plane.
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#14 Post by porcsord » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:50 am

You're all sick. No mention of the poor lobsters, probably thousands of them.
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#15 Post by brn2fly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:53 am

Same aircraft back on September 25, 2018 in YHZ landing on 23. She will never fly again.
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#16 Post by J31 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:50 am

porcsord wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:50 am
You're all sick. No mention of the poor lobsters, probably thousands of them.
I'm sure they will make it to China dishes.....may just be a bit more expensive. :smt040
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#17 Post by North Shore » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:01 pm

porcsord wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:50 am
You're all sick. No mention of the poor lobsters, probably thousands of them.
My reading of the story says that the '47 was there to pick up the lobsters...so they just got a temporary reprieve..
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#18 Post by Victory » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:32 pm

Where is Halifax storing all these wrecks? Do they cut them up and ship them out by truck pretty quickly?
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#19 Post by Old fella » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:55 pm

‘47 Cargo haulers having bit of a rough time in YHZ past number of years. This one and MK airlines 2004 sadly fatal for the entire crew.
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#20 Post by photofly » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:24 pm

I'm sorry, but someone has to say it.

Variable tailwinds on final.
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#21 Post by short bus » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:36 pm

I'm surprised It took that long
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#22 Post by telex » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:23 pm

photofly wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:24 pm
I'm sorry, but someone has to say it.

Variable tailwinds on final.
Re: Stalls into a headwind or Tailwind
Zaibatsu wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:56 pm
Was it a variable tailwind?

Because that will definitely negatively affect the stall characteristics.

It’s perhaps one of the deadliest things we deal with in aviation.
A tailwind? Wha?

NOW I get it! haha
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#23 Post by PilotDAR » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:03 pm

I'm sorry, but someone has to say it.

Variable tailwinds on final.
It takes a lot to accept that mantle of responsibility - good on you Photofly!
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#24 Post by HiFlyChick » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:54 pm

The HIAA FB page said (and still says) runway 32 - hard to believe they could get it so wrong...

I wonder if they were doing the ILS for 14 because they didn't have RNAV capability...?

Didn't see the wx at the time of the "hard landing" (yep, the evening news actually called it that - we don't have accidents at YHZ, just hard landings), but I looked at the METARS a few hours later and it still had the one for 10z (about 45 min after accident):

METAR CYHZ 071200Z 23012KT 10SM BKN008 BKN014 OVC023 12/12 A2969 RMK SF5SC2SC1 SLP058 DENSITY ALT 600FT=
SPECI CYHZ 071137Z 23012KT 10SM BKN008 OVC014 12/12 A2969 RMK SF6SC2 SLP058 DENSITY ALT 600FT=
METAR CYHZ 071100Z 22013G18KT 8SM -DZ OVC008 13/13 A2967 RMK ST8 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 600FT=
SPECI CYHZ 071054Z 22012G19KT 8SM -DZ OVC008 13/13 A2967 RMK ST8 SLP051 DENSITY ALT 600FT=
SPECI CYHZ 071031Z 23016G21KT 10SM -DZ SCT009 OVC015 13/13 A2967 RMK SF4SC4 SLP051 DENSITY ALT 700FT=
SPECI CYHZ 071023Z 23013KT 12SM SCT007 SCT015 BKN070 OVC090 13/13 A2967 RMK SF3SC1AC3AC1 SLP050 DENSITY ALT 700FT=
METAR CYHZ 071000Z 23012G19KT 12SM -RA SCT006 BKN036 OVC070 13/13 A2967 RMK SF3SC2AC3 SLP051 DENSITY ALT 700FT=

The ILS for 23 is down, so if they couldn't do the RNAV, and that SCT 006 was BKN, the ILS 14 was all they had (except for diverting elsewhere - too bad they didn't take that option :( )
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Re: Skylease Cargo 747 Runway Overrun YHZ Nov 7, 2018

#25 Post by HiFlyChick » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:57 pm

Inverted2 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:38 am
I don’t get why this airport waited till fall to do runway construction when all the fall windstorms show up. Now there won’t likely be any ILS approaches for a week or 2 till they clean up that giant mess.
They've been working on taxiways since the summer, and the runway for a while, too (can't recall exactly when they started, though). Earlier than that and they're into fog season, which tends to be more of a problem than the fall winds - it's just been windier this year than usual (or should I say there's been more windy days).
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