Air Tindi Flight Missing

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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:51 am

I think the mods should clean up this mess. Two pilots are dead and we're arguing about semantics. They descending below an IFR altitude, well duh, they hit the ground. Nobody on avcanada knows if it was even a controlled descent, nevermind intentional.

How about, out of respect for the dead, we wait until some more information comes out before the eventual speculation and the blame game from the old farts can begin.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by shimmydampner » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:53 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:51 am
Nobody on avcanada knows if it was even a controlled descent, nevermind intentional..
Exactly. And that is precisely why I think it's worth arguing about the semantics in this case, to make sure someone isn't casting baseless aspersion on the crew.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by McGyver » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 pm

Have they released the registration number of the aircraft yet?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:11 am

McGyver wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:34 pm
Have they released the registration number of the aircraft yet?
Yes
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by McGyver » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:40 pm

And the registration is???? I cannot find it anywhere including the TSB site
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:04 pm

McGyver wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:40 pm
And the registration is???? I cannot find it anywhere including the TSB site
You're not looking very hard. Don't be lazy.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by leftoftrack » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:22 pm

I wish there were some sort of CADOR type data base that might tell this type of info.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 pm

leftoftrack wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:22 pm
I wish there were some sort of CADOR type data base that might tell this type of info.
The info is readily available. Not looking to hard.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by YYZSaabGuy » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:03 am

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:04 pm
You're not looking very hard. Don't be lazy.
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 pm
The info is readily available. Not looking to hard.
*Sigh* Ya know...........in the time you took out of your no doubt incredibly busy day to post not one, but two, totally unhelpful and unnecessarily belittling replies, you could have actually helped out a couple of posters by providing an informed response.

The accident aircraft, according to http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... hCbADIKDGA, was C-GTUC.

And for the record, it's "too" hard, not "to" hard. Of course, a smart guy like you probably knew that, right? :P
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:40 am

YYZSaabGuy wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:03 am
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:04 pm
You're not looking very hard. Don't be lazy.
Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:42 pm
The info is readily available. Not looking to hard.
*Sigh* Ya know...........in the time you took out of your no doubt incredibly busy day to post not one, but two, totally unhelpful and unnecessarily belittling replies, you could have actually helped out a couple of posters by providing an informed response.

The accident aircraft, according to http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... hCbADIKDGA, was C-GTUC.

And for the record, it's "too" hard, not "to" hard. Of course, a smart guy like you probably knew that, right? :P
Blah blah blah
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by leftoftrack » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:38 am

so you found it?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Illya Kuryakin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:07 pm

So, were these guys shooting an approach of some kind? Are we willing to admit they descended below safe altitudes? Any indication of an altimeter setting error? Or, are we just too touchy freely to learn from this?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by godsrcrazy » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:18 pm

What exactly do you think you can learn from speculation. You have no idea what direction they were going our what attitude the aircraft was in when it hit the ground. One thing we can all agree on is it hit the ground and killed 2 people. Have to love Arm Chair TSB investigators.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Illya Kuryakin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:24 pm

[quote=goingnowherefast post_id=1068964 time=1549795893 user_id=40868

How about, out of respect for the dead, we wait until some more information comes out before the eventual speculation and the blame game from the old farts can begin.
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Funny thing is.....it's not the "old farts" rolling airplanes into aluminum foil balls.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by C.W.E. » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:29 pm

Funny thing is.....it's not the "old farts" rolling airplanes into aluminum foil balls.
Illya
The young pilots know far more than the old experienced ones Illya, that is obvious from reading their comments.

Some here think that discussing ( speculation? ) these issues is unprofessional and somehow detrimental to aviation and we should wait for the TSB to give us their decision on why these airplanes crash, and I personally do not believe everything that they claim because there is the risk politics can get involved.

Considering between us we have around a hundred years of experience flying for a living are we out of line wondering what caused these crashes Illya?

Or should we go out and crash one so we can better understand the subject?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by porcsord » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:46 pm

[/quote]
Funny thing is.....it's not the "old farts" rolling airplanes into aluminum foil balls.
Illya
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No? I lost a good friend in Antarctica, who I think was probably the most experienced Antarctic -6 drivers around. Nobody is infallible, not even Doc or Cat driver.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by C.W.E. » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:44 pm

No? I lost a good friend in Antarctica, who I think was probably the most experienced Antarctic -6 drivers around. Nobody is infallible, not even Doc or Cat driver.
I also considered Bob was an excellent pilot and a good friend and was really shocked when he flew into that mountain, we will probably never know why he did. His accident was very unusual for someone with his background.

However what prompted you to make that insulting remark about Doc and me ?

Do you have some personal reason to insult us with that remark?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Illya Kuryakin » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:30 pm

I can’t figure out the bitterness either. Young pilots right no only have to avoid picking their noses at the interview, and they get a shiny new Q400 job, for having a pulse!
Or, so it seems.
That accident on Mt Elizabeth will forever be a mystery to me. Really miss Bob.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by Diadem » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:46 pm

C.W.E. wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:44 pm
However what prompted you to make that insulting remark about Doc and me ?

Do you have some personal reason to insult us with that remark?
Calling someone "not infallible" is an insult? Does that mean you think you are infallible?
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:58 pm

Just cause you are old doesn't mean your fact-less speculation is correct.

We all know they descended below the minimum safe altitude. Was it intentional, or did the elevator cables snap? Being old doesn't automatically mean you know the answer. So far all we've got from the old farts is "they were dumb and I know that because I've got 50 years of experience".

You might not like the TSB, but they've still got more facts than you. Plus more credibility.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by seven-oh-nooo » Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:32 am

godsrcrazy wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:18 pm
What exactly do you think you can learn from speculation.
Speculation from past accidents, even when eventually proven wrong by the TSB, has led to immediate improvements in policy and procedures at my shop. Productive speculation is a matter of putting yourself in that situation, asking what could have gone wrong, and seeing if you have the tools in place to prevent it. It's pretty shocking when you do that exercise and realize the same fate had been waiting for you the whole time too.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by kilo3bravo » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:02 am

seven-oh-nooo wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:32 am
godsrcrazy wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:18 pm
What exactly do you think you can learn from speculation.
Speculation from past accidents, even when eventually proven wrong by the TSB, has led to immediate improvements in policy and procedures at my shop. Productive speculation is a matter of putting yourself in that situation, asking what could have gone wrong, and seeing if you have the tools in place to prevent it. It's pretty shocking when you do that exercise and realize the same fate had been waiting for you the whole time too.
+1 The speculation on this site has greatly enhanced my knowledge of accident cause/effect. I read this forum daily and appreciate the insight from pilots all over Canada. I am a better pilot and instructor because of it. Please put emotions aside and avoid discouraging thoughtful discussion.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by C.W.E. » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:11 am

You might not like the TSB, but they've still got more facts than you. Plus more credibility.
And your credibility is based on?

You are obviously in the early stages of a flying career based on what I read in your posts on this site, maybe someday you also will be an old fart like me and will be retired living very comfortably because you eventually were able to make enough money to live in comfort.
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Re: Air Tindi Flight Missing

Post by porcsord » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:36 am

You have quite the God complex if you think the idea of you making a mistake is an insult. How about the Air Nootka Crash? Another friend, another old timer, another ball of aluminum.

I've seen young copilots and captains who I would much rather fly me around then many of the old timers I know. I don't think age had to do anything with this accident. Tell me cat, when you were a young pilot did you ever do something stupid in an airplane?
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