Meatservo wrote: ↑
Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:56 pm
[quote=boeingboy post_id=<a href="tel:1072627">1072627</a> time=<a href="tel:1553024463">1553024463</a> user_id=763]
Everybody keeps thinking everything happened all at once and the crew was overwhelmed….that is not the case. The airspeed disagree and stick shaker came on at rotation. They were known, actioned and dealt with. It wasn't until about 2000 feet when the flaps came up that they got the nose down input....That's 1 problem to deal with. The flaps were selected back out and the trim stopped. So they climbed out normal. When the flaps were selected back up - the trim issue started again. then they maintained altitude and counteracted the nose down trim for 10 min. Im sure they only had one issue front and center - The repeated nose down input. Simple - cut out the trim.
One thing that is being overlooked is I have to ask what are these crews thinking in these parts of the world. the previous Lion air crew after they cutout the trim - continued their flight all the way to destination with the left stick shaker wailing away....why? Because their QRH didn't say to land at the nearest airport. I don't know about you - but I wouldn't need a QRH to tell me that before I was turning around. It seems like more and more of these places outside North America and Europe are getting to the point where their pilots cannot fly airplanes if the smallest thing goes wrong. Look at Air asia and the 777 in SFO were the pilots couldn't hand fly a visual approach on a beautiful sunny day. I think we need to look more at pilot skill and training than the machine.
, even though I don't know what happened to the Ethiopian machine,I couldn't agree more with the sentiment in the last part of your post.
But this business of not being able to fly aeroplanes- what's being done about it, even here in Canada? Maybe you work for a carrier that has S.O.P.s that encourage a certain amount of autopilot-off flying. The SOPs where I used to work specifically mention it. Once upon a time they even encouraged manual flight with AND without
the flight directors, but this part disappeared after a revision and I suspect it was after they found out some of us were actually doing it. And if your S.O.P.s "allow" a certain amount of manual flight, how is this paying off for the company in terms of ensuring that it's actually happening? If you engage the automation at 400' and leave it on right until short final, on every flight, no matter if it's dark, rain, or shine, even on bluebird days, how does this get picked up? When a guy gets 1000 hours in the right seat of a King-Air with all the automated bells & whistles, logs some of that as PICUS, screws off to Jazz or Encore as soon as the ATPL quizzes are passed and starts doing whatever they do there until one day a year or less later he's the captain, at what point did anyone ever evaluate his ability to actually fly a plane, or encourage him to get comfortable with it? I know guys who say they have done so much hand-flying that they don't care if they ever do it again and feel they don't need to practice. I know guys who are roundly praised as "great pilots" by sim instructors and management because if their amazing memorization and button-crunching but who I know and have seen, still can't be trusted to know where the wind is coming from in a crosswind or actually judge when and where and how much to flare, let alone watch over someone who has even less flying experience. It's all very well to talk about people knowing how to actually fly, but apart from one or two old farts who actually LIKE to fly, who's actually doing it? Who's actually making sure we are doing it?
I think for some companies, the only reason handflying isn't outright forbidden is because no chief pilot wants to be the first one to go THAT far. I think there are companies that allow for hand-flying in the SOPs and then use company culture to actively frown on it. Which makes me wonder, if, like me, you consider it your moral duty to retain all your flying skills, does that make you one of those anti-authority CRM nightmares, or does it make you the last sane man among fools?