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Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by Braun » Sun May 05, 2019 9:42 am

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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by ikarus » Sun May 05, 2019 12:10 pm

unfortunately the total as of now is 13 dead (two children) and at least 7 injured.... From the preliminary reports, the jet (engine) was hit by lightning and started the fire. It was returning to land ...

My condolences to the families.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by tbaylx » Sun May 05, 2019 12:15 pm

That's some delayed response by CFR :shock:
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by ikarus » Sun May 05, 2019 2:01 pm

Braun wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 1:58 pm
https://twitter.com/tompodolec/status/1 ... 33505?s=21

That is insane.
Wow. Thank for sharing that video.

Apparently now the death toll is over 40.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by YBW-Kid » Sun May 05, 2019 3:18 pm

Once again video showing people running away from the burning aircraft on the tarmac clutching their carry on bags. I sure hope nobody died because of the time those survivors used pulling bags from the overhead bins.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by Roadrunnersmother » Sun May 05, 2019 3:43 pm

YBW-Kid wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:18 pm
Once again video showing people running away from the burning aircraft on the tarmac clutching their carry on bags. I sure hope nobody died because of the time those survivors used pulling bags from the overhead bins.
I always sit by exit and plan on taking time to take my bags off if ever in similar situation. Maybe if agencies etc would make replacing items as easy as a phone call I wouldn't care to lose anything. I look after myself 1st. I could care less if someone not smart enough to sit by exit doesn't make it out. Less idiots, the better society is.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Sun May 05, 2019 3:54 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:43 pm
YBW-Kid wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:18 pm
Once again video showing people running away from the burning aircraft on the tarmac clutching their carry on bags. I sure hope nobody died because of the time those survivors used pulling bags from the overhead bins.
I always sit by exit and plan on taking time to take my bags off if ever in similar situation. Maybe if agencies etc would make replacing items as easy as a phone call I wouldn't care to lose anything. I look after myself 1st. I could care less if someone not smart enough to sit by exit doesn't make it out. Less idiots, the better society is.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnndddd he’s back..
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by pelmet » Sun May 05, 2019 7:15 pm

Inside cabin footage here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTpGLK ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYizjxuUiEM

And now for advice on evacuating in a situation like this(being in the back of the aircraft with major fire outside all around while still moving). If you are in the rear.....

...you are where people are going to die, just like the British Airtours 737 in Manchester with the engine fire The rear exits cannot be used due to flames and there is a huge traffic jam with panicky people blocking any movement.

There are no guarantees, but you start your evacuation during the rollout if you see flames like this. Everyone else will be sitting, frozen in fear while the aircraft is decelerating. Once it stops, it almost everyone will get up, jam up, and you are stuck. So while the aircraft is still moving, release your seat belt, climb over people as required, run forward out of the external fire zone which will soon be the internal smoke zone.

Of course, maybe you will die because you released your seatbelt and there was a sudden stop and everyone else survives, no guarantees.

By the way, if during a critical fire situation like this where it is obvious that seconds count), you encounter someone blocking you as they try to get their overhead baggage, hit them in the face as hard as you can with all your adrenaline strength, so they fall down and let them get trampled instead of them killing you and others by delaying evacuation.

That's my plan anyways. Feel free to remain seated until the evac alarm sounds, it keeps the aisle clear for me.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by rookiepilot » Sun May 05, 2019 7:57 pm

pelmet wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:15 pm
Inside cabin footage here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTpGLK ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYizjxuUiEM

And now for advice on evacuating in a situation like this(being in the back of the aircraft with major fire outside all around while still moving). If you are in the rear.....

...you are where people are going to die, just like the British Airtours 737 in Manchester with the engine fire The rear exits cannot be used due to flames and there is a huge traffic jam with panicky people blocking any movement.

There are no guarantees, but you start your evacuation during the rollout if you see flames like this. Everyone else will be sitting, frozen in fear while the aircraft is decelerating. Once it stops, it almost everyone will get up, jam up, and you are stuck. So while the aircraft is still moving, release your seat belt, climb over people as required, run forward out of the external fire zone which will soon be the internal smoke zone.

Of course, maybe you will die because you released your seatbelt and there was a sudden stop and everyone else survives, no guarantees.

By the way, if during a critical fire situation like this where it is obvious that seconds count), you encounter someone blocking you as they try to get their overhead baggage, hit them in the face as hard as you can with all your adrenaline strength, so they fall down and let them get trampled instead of them killing you and others by delaying evacuation.

That's my plan anyways. Feel free to remain seated until the evac alarm sounds, it keeps the aisle clear for me.
I'm guessing if this accident happened in Canada, there is no way you'd post this callous post right after multiple people were burned alive. Too bad for them, right?

This is why I have zero respect for you. Cold, poor taste and timing, regardless of the point about people stupidly getting their carry on bag. Yeah. We get it.

This isn't educational. Doesn't help Crew with how to better handle an in flight fire.

And before you whine to the mods --- again ---

If the mods want to ban me for saying this, go right ahead.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by Gannet167 » Sun May 05, 2019 8:21 pm

It should be a crime to evacuate an aircraft with a bag. If you are caught evacuating with carry on, you should get a hefty fine or jail time. (And other passengers should beat you) Regardless of it it’s enforceable, it would bring prominence to the issue. At least people would know they’re not suppose to. In a similar way, when I’ve driven in areas where signs are posted telling drivers that there’s a fine for driving in the left lane, less people loiter there obstructing faster traffic. Few people are actually ticketed but everyone is aware and are more courteous with left lane discipline.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by jakeandelwood » Sun May 05, 2019 8:30 pm

Roadrunnersmother wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:43 pm
YBW-Kid wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 3:18 pm
Once again video showing people running away from the burning aircraft on the tarmac clutching their carry on bags. I sure hope nobody died because of the time those survivors used pulling bags from the overhead bins.
I always sit by exit and plan on taking time to take my bags off if ever in similar situation. Maybe if agencies etc would make replacing items as easy as a phone call I wouldn't care to lose anything. I look after myself 1st. I could care less if someone not smart enough to sit by exit doesn't make it out. Less idiots, the better society is.
Jesus, are you for real? Unfortunately not every passenger can be seated by an exit. The next thing you'd be doing is a faceplant in the aisle after you retrieved your bag.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by mantogasrsrwy » Sun May 05, 2019 8:54 pm

If I'm ever involved in an evacuation I'm going to leave my carry on behind so I don't look like an as shat on the news.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by Gannet167 » Sun May 05, 2019 8:55 pm

Roadrunner is a troll. The less we feed it with responses, the better for the forum.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by TeePeeCreeper » Sun May 05, 2019 10:34 pm

pelmet wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:15 pm
Inside cabin footage here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTpGLK ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYizjxuUiEM

And now for advice on evacuating in a situation like this(being in the back of the aircraft with major fire outside all around while still moving). If you are in the rear.....

...you are where people are going to die, just like the British Airtours 737 in Manchester with the engine fire The rear exits cannot be used due to flames and there is a huge traffic jam with panicky people blocking any movement.

There are no guarantees, but you start your evacuation during the rollout if you see flames like this. Everyone else will be sitting, frozen in fear while the aircraft is decelerating. Once it stops, it almost everyone will get up, jam up, and you are stuck. So while the aircraft is still moving, release your seat belt, climb over people as required, run forward out of the external fire zone which will soon be the internal smoke zone.

Of course, maybe you will die because you released your seatbelt and there was a sudden stop and everyone else survives, no guarantees.

By the way, if during a critical fire situation like this where it is obvious that seconds count), you encounter someone blocking you as they try to get their overhead baggage, hit them in the face as hard as you can with all your adrenaline strength, so they fall down and let them get trampled instead of them killing you and others by delaying evacuation.

That's my plan anyways. Feel free to remain seated until the evac alarm sounds, it keeps the aisle clear for me.
Wow. I have no words Pelmet.

That’s ah... no words.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by Rowdy » Sun May 05, 2019 11:21 pm

TeePeeCreeper wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 10:34 pm

Wow. I have no words Pelmet.

That’s ah... no words.
I have him blocked for just such reasons.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by rookiepilot » Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/05/worl ... -fire.html

“Right in front of our eyes, we saw an airplane on fire streaking down the runway,” Ms. Osokina, who was in an airport restaurant, told Dozhd television.

It was in the grips of flames,” she said. “Flames were devouring it every second,” she said.

Kommersant FM, a radio station, posted a cellphone video taken by a passenger on the airplane as it landed that showed a scene of panic and terror. It showed a burning engine and flames at times obscuring the entire window. As smoke starts to fill the cabin, one woman screams. Another yells, “Help! Help!”

2 children were among the dead.

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How horrifying. I flew on Aeroflot just last year. Only words I have are overwhelming sympathy.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by BMLtech » Mon May 06, 2019 6:35 am

from the videos it appears they bounced so hard that the gear failed and both wing fuel tanks were breached.Most aircraft have fuse pins at the gear attach points specifically to prevent this type of event. Horrific.
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Post by Jet Jockey » Mon May 06, 2019 7:32 am

I don’t know pelmet and I don’t know how he is trying to convey his message but I tell you what...

If someone is stupid enough in a situation like this one to delay people from an evacuation by blocking the alley or exit point because he is retrieving his bagage in the overhead bin, then I can assure if I was a passenger behind him I would go through him like a hot knife goes through butter.

Anyone seen carrying luggage off an aircraft during or after an emergency evac is ordered should be procecuted.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by digits_ » Mon May 06, 2019 7:38 am

Was the bounced cause by the emergency, or did the bounce create the emergency?
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by pelmet » Mon May 06, 2019 7:41 am

rookiepilot wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:57 pm
pelmet wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:15 pm
Inside cabin footage here....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTpGLK ... e=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYizjxuUiEM

And now for advice on evacuating in a situation like this(being in the back of the aircraft with major fire outside all around while still moving). If you are in the rear.....

...you are where people are going to die, just like the British Airtours 737 in Manchester with the engine fire The rear exits cannot be used due to flames and there is a huge traffic jam with panicky people blocking any movement.

There are no guarantees, but you start your evacuation during the rollout if you see flames like this. Everyone else will be sitting, frozen in fear while the aircraft is decelerating. Once it stops, it almost everyone will get up, jam up, and you are stuck. So while the aircraft is still moving, release your seat belt, climb over people as required, run forward out of the external fire zone which will soon be the internal smoke zone.

Of course, maybe you will die because you released your seatbelt and there was a sudden stop and everyone else survives, no guarantees.

By the way, if during a critical fire situation like this where it is obvious that seconds count), you encounter someone blocking you as they try to get their overhead baggage, hit them in the face as hard as you can with all your adrenaline strength, so they fall down and let them get trampled instead of them killing you and others by delaying evacuation.

That's my plan anyways. Feel free to remain seated until the evac alarm sounds, it keeps the aisle clear for me.
I'm guessing if this accident happened in Canada, there is no way you'd post this callous post right after multiple people were burned alive. Too bad for them, right?

This is why I have zero respect for you. Cold, poor taste and timing, regardless of the point about people stupidly getting their carry on bag. Yeah. We get it.

This isn't educational. Doesn't help Crew with how to better handle an in flight fire.

And before you whine to the mods --- again ---

If the mods want to ban me for saying this, go right ahead.
Oh, oh. Based on the replies, it looks like I may have discovered some of the people that are the type to block escape from a burning aircraft due to retrieving their valuables. Sorry boys, you are getting a fist in the face if you block me in such a situation, hopefully enough to knock you down.

By the way, those who have no words, or no respect for me, or are blocking me might want to read this article about the Moscow tragedy.....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/r ... 34976.html

It has the quote..."Passengers were also accused of delaying the evacuation of the burning plane by reaching into the overhead compartments to retrieve their belongings"

"The Interfax news agency cited an unnamed "informed source" as saying the evacuation of the plane had been delayed by some passengers insisting on collecting their hand luggage first."


So to all other folks remember, these characters on the forum badmouthing me will result in your death in such a situation. You have seconds to escape. My advice can save your life. Their advice, as has been seen in multiple different discussions, on multiple subjects(where no more than insults are typically given and has resulted in warnings from the mods for two of them) results in much worse for you.

Be careful who you take your advice from.
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by pelmet » Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 am

rookiepilot wrote:
Sun May 05, 2019 7:57 pm
Cold, poor taste and timing, regardless of the point about people stupidly getting their carry on bag.

This isn't educational. Doesn't help Crew with how to better handle an in flight fire.
Jet Jockey wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 7:32 am
I don’t know pelmet and I don’t know how he is trying to convey his message but I tell you what...

If someone is stupid enough in a situation like this one to delay people from an evacuation by blocking the alley or exit point because he is retrieving his bagage in the overhead bin, then I can assure if I was a passenger behind him I would go through him like a hot knife goes through butter.

Anyone seen carrying luggage off an aircraft during or after an emergency evac is ordered should be procecuted.
The article below discusses three accidents where an aircraft is literally on fire and people are risking lives to get their beloved baggage. It is a reality that won't change. Therefore one might want to consider what they will do when blocked unnecessarily in a critical, life threatening situation. Time for politeness to end. Today actually is the right timing to discuss the subject. One has to be cold about it and it has absolutely nothing to do with how the crew is handling an in-flight fire. It is how to save your life during a ground evacuation.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... on-450122/
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Re: Sukhoi Superjet on fire Moscow

Post by rookiepilot » Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 am

pelmet wrote:
Mon May 06, 2019 7:41 am

Oh, oh. Based on the replies, it looks like I may have discovered some of the people that are the type to block escape from a burning aircraft due to retrieving their valuables. Sorry boys, you are getting a fist in the face if you block me in such a situation, hopefully enough to knock you down.

By the way, those who have no words, or no respect for me, or are blocking me might want to read this article about the Moscow tragedy.....

So to all other folks remember, these characters on the forum badmouthing me will result in your death in such a situation. You have seconds to escape. My advice can save your life. Their advice, as has been seen in multiple different discussions, on multiple subjects(where no more than insults are typically given and has resulted in warnings from the mods for two of them) results in much worse for you.

Such arrogance in these trolling comments, trying to defend your own callousness. Step over children as you fight your way off.

I don't think anyone remotely professional here; supports for one second risking anyone's life by getting their stuff.

Reports FWIW says the cabin was evacuated in 55 seconds.

Easy solution: Lockable overhead bins. Case closed.

Sorry all, I can only hear the screaming........
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