Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by lownslow » Sat May 11, 2019 6:23 am

Victory wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:00 am
Will they do cannabis testing on the driver for an accident like this?
If the guy was high on dope this wouldn’t have happened. He’d have been too busy holding short of arriving traffic on the island.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Inverted2 » Sat May 11, 2019 6:28 am

I’m sure with any aviation related accident they would have done alcohol and drug testing.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Victory » Sat May 11, 2019 6:51 am

Inverted2 wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 6:28 am
I’m sure with any aviation related accident they would have done alcohol and drug testing.
So he's basically assured a DUI too if he's used any legal cannabis within the last 30 days or so since there is no way to show current levels of intoxication.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by AuxBatOn » Sat May 11, 2019 8:30 am

There is a minimum level of THC to prove impairment under Cannabis.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Victory » Sat May 11, 2019 9:24 am

THC blood level itself can not directly document the intensity of impairment of a driver. This has been shown time and again by science. It will be interesting when somebody with the means to fight a law like that takes it to court.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Heliian » Sat May 11, 2019 9:58 am

Speeding is another issue with ground support equipment, does anyone know the speed limit for that area?
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Diadem » Sat May 11, 2019 12:08 pm

Victory wrote:
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...I'm just curious if they are cracking down on it below the wing as much as they do above it.
I don't think too many people sit above the wing on a Dash.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by FL410 » Sat May 11, 2019 7:21 pm

Diadem wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 12:08 pm
Victory wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:00 am
...I'm just curious if they are cracking down on it below the wing as much as they do above it.
I don't think too many people sit above the wing on a Dash.
Below the wing usually refers to ground crews, with above the wing being anyone onboard.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Diadem » Sat May 11, 2019 11:26 pm

FL410 wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 7:21 pm
Diadem wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 12:08 pm
Victory wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 5:00 am
...I'm just curious if they are cracking down on it below the wing as much as they do above it.
I don't think too many people sit above the wing on a Dash.
Below the wing usually refers to ground crews, with above the wing being anyone onboard.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Eric Janson » Sun May 12, 2019 7:05 am

altiplano wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:18 am
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No airline I have worked at has said it is the Captain's right to taxi at any speed they want.
appropriate taxi speed relevant conditions and other factors
They certainly don't tell you what taxi speed to use though. It's your responsibility to use your judgement.

Have you never done a slow taxi because stoc said your crew/gate wasn't available? Or a complicated taxi route? Or you got a rwy change after pushback and the FO is inputting the new performance/sid into the box? Or you're on a ramp?

Saying a crew should be shot or given a time out on the deice pad for taxing slow is inappropriate....
Interesting - my company has clear limits for taxi speed(s) as part of the SOP. It is also part of the FOQA monitoring.

Taking a corner too fast can put a huge strain on the tires due to the sideloads involved. Can shorten tire life significantly - $$$$!
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by FICU » Sun May 12, 2019 9:01 am

Victory wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:07 pm
No airline I have worked at has said it is the Captain's right to taxi at any speed they want.
Big Brother reports over 30 knots and 15 knots in a turn. Captain's call.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by youhavecontrol » Sun May 12, 2019 11:41 am

Here's the audio from the incident and a few pics of the damage. Sounds like the fueler was in a rush to move. Poor pilot was pretty rattled.. he called Montreal Ground by mistake after getting hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jhjViakM60
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Canoehead » Sun May 12, 2019 12:55 pm

Eric Janson wrote:
Sun May 12, 2019 7:05 am

Interesting - my company has clear limits for taxi speed(s) as part of the SOP. It is also part of the FOQA monitoring.

Taking a corner too fast can put a huge strain on the tires due to the sideloads involved. Can shorten tire life significantly - $$$$!
Jazz also has taxi limits published on all types. Monitored on the Q400 and CRJ-900, there may be certain DH8 and CRJ-200 tails monitored as well.

If the #1 engine wasn't in Start/Fx, I bet the outcome would have been different.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by co-joe » Sun May 12, 2019 4:24 pm

altiplano wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:18 am
Victory wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 3:07 pm
No airline I have worked at has said it is the Captain's right to taxi at any speed they want.
appropriate taxi speed relevant conditions and other factors
They certainly don't tell you what taxi speed to use though. It's your responsibility to use your judgement.

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Really? No guidance? My employer says 25 kts max taxi speed and watches with flight data monitoring for compliance. I'm surprised that's not in your sop's.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by altiplano » Sun May 12, 2019 10:13 pm

Yeah they totally nail you if you go 7 knots... :roll:

How is your SOP worded?
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:42 am

What has become of this airframe?
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by Outlaw58 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:37 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:42 am
What has become of this airframe?
Write-off

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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:23 pm

I assume it's been parted out and cut up for scrap by now?
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by 7ECA » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:55 pm

I recall hearing some really out there "theories" about this incident elsewhere, rumours that this was being covered up due to "multi-cultural sensitivities" and was a "terrorist act" that the mainstream media refused to publish, etc, etc...

As if often the case, the truth is more banal than many people imagine - another bowser driver who likens themselves to Mario/Maria Andretti.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by ogc » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:25 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:23 pm
I assume it's been parted out and cut up for scrap by now?
It has been parked on the ramp outside for awhile. You can see it from airport road. They put some new sheet metal on it so she doesnt look so bad.

I dunno if it's still there
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by DH82EH » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:00 pm

It's still there.
The big holes have been closed with plastic.
The logo and registration got painted out, then the reg got re-applied.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by tps8903 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:04 am

AuxBatOn wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 8:30 am
There is a minimum level of THC to prove impairment under Cannabis.
False. Alcohol is the only drug that has a statutory maximum for blood content. (Operation over 80mg/100ml of blood).

All other drugs are charged via the impairment section which is done on subjective grounds with a DRE (Drug Recognition Expert) and a multi-part sobriety test including physical tests, ocular tests and physiological symptoms.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by albertdesalvo » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:05 pm

tps8903 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:04 am
All other drugs are charged via the impairment section which is done on subjective grounds with a DRE (Drug Recognition Expert)
Yeah, and we all know the cops have one of these DREs hanging around every station. What a crock of shit.
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by tps8903 » Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:52 pm

albertdesalvo wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:05 pm
tps8903 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:04 am
All other drugs are charged via the impairment section which is done on subjective grounds with a DRE (Drug Recognition Expert)
Yeah, and we all know the cops have one of these DREs hanging around every station. What a crock of shit.
In Toronto they have a few dozen on duty at Traffic Services at any given time, they also have a mobile DUI unit that can come to a scene. The tests are done at the station in a controlled environment after the arrest by a patrol officer. If a patrol officer suspects impairment they perform a standardized field sobriety test (which every patrol officer in Ontario is now trained in) and then make an arrest.

What part of this is a crock of shit exactly?
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Re: Jazz Dash 8 and Menzies Fuel Truck Collide in YYZ

Post by AuxBatOn » Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:56 pm

tps8903 wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:04 am
AuxBatOn wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 8:30 am
There is a minimum level of THC to prove impairment under Cannabis.
False. Alcohol is the only drug that has a statutory maximum for blood content. (Operation over 80mg/100ml of blood).

All other drugs are charged via the impairment section which is done on subjective grounds with a DRE (Drug Recognition Expert) and a multi-part sobriety test including physical tests, ocular tests and physiological symptoms.
Alcohol

The prohibited blood-alcohol concentration (BAC) is 80 milligrams or more (mg) of alcohol per 100 millilitres (ml) of blood.

Cannabis (THC)

There are two prohibited levels for THC, the primary psychoactive component of cannabis: it is a less serious offence to have between 2 nanograms (ng) and 5 ng of THC per ml of blood. It is a more serious offence to have 5 ng of THC or more per ml of blood.

From: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/sidl-rlcfa/
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