Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

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Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

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Post by Jean-Pierre » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Oh my god Air Canada so bad. No. How about some personal responsibility?
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Post by rookiepilot » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:38 pm

"Night terrors" .


People have an awfully low threshold for anxiety disorders these days.

A huge number of Americans claim to have anxiety disorders because Trump was elected.

Which shows the immaturity of the population and disrespects anyone with real trauma.
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Re: Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

Post by digits_ » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:39 pm

Say what now?

Sleeping during a flight is a fairly common activity. I'd say basic customer service would be to be woken up by the crew or groomers.

If you're big on security, then leaving an unaccompanied passenger in the plane would probably be breaking a few regulations as well.

Does she need to run to the press with a sob story? Hard to say. I'm sure Air Canada would be more forthcoming with compensation now that it has reached the newspapers.
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Post by digits_ » Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:39 pm

rookiepilot wrote:
Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:38 pm
"Night terrors" .


People have an awfully low threshold for anxiety disorders these days.
True, that's a bit over the top.
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Post by jakeandelwood » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:37 pm

Wow, what a whale of a tale about a fight for survival in the treacherous wilderness of an airport! Luckily they didn't have to spend a freezing June night in that plane surviving off peanuts and coffee creamers. :lol:
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Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:17 am

What else was she planning on?

She was offered a hotel but said she wanted to go home...

Doesn't sound like she is out anything at all but a few hours of her time in the middle of the night... that she would have been sleeping anyway... she's got a good story out of it worth more than the flight.
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Post by lownslow » Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:49 am

So she wakes up on a 737 Max, complains to the airline, several months pass, then it hits the news. I wonder if she’s one of those professional plaintiffs who didn’t initially get the settlement she wanted.
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Post by pianokeys » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:32 am

This is pathetic. Everyone wants their fifteen minutes of fame. I know the last time this happened it was one of my family members who "stayed asleep" during deplaning so she could get a free ride to Tor Bay as it was a through flight. Shes went to jail shortly after for unrelated cheque fraud. I bet this Tiffani doofus is a scammer too trying to get a free flight, this just doesnt add up.

You mean to tell me the cabin groomers, and then buddy riding the brakes to the stand didnt see this broad? What about the chance that mx came and looked at the plane for fun before it was towed off?
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:10 am

For the people who think this is a non-event: would you want to fly a plane after a passenger has been messing with the exit doors and has been pressing buttons in the cockpit unsupervised for a few hours?
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Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:47 am

That's what maintenance, FFOD, and cockpit checks are for...
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am

Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
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Post by shamrock104 » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:16 am

Cant wait for the Movie.
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Post by ahramin » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 am

digits_ wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am
Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
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Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:02 am

Lots of times I find switches out of place, books missing, things in the wrong places, and there wasn't someone left onboard..

Who knows... that's the point of all the checks we do...
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Post by rookiepilot » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:03 am

Could have been a better lawsuit if she jumped out.
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Re: Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

Post by Daniel Cooper » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:16 am

Is checking the seats are empty part of flight attendants post flight duties? Or anyone else's?
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:27 am

ahramin wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 am
digits_ wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am
Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
Theoretically true, but if you miss a passenger in the plane, I have not that much faith that all responsible parties perform their regular checks with sufficient care.

If you want to put on your security paranoia hat, I'm sure that an unsupervised passenger could have hidden nasty stuff in places where you don't usually check.

All I'm trying to point out, is that this is not a non-event, and that I find it hard not to partially blame AC for this. Assuming the information in the article is correct.
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Post by altiplano » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:55 pm

digits_ wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:27 am
ahramin wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 am
digits_ wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am
Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
Theoretically true, but if you miss a passenger in the plane, I have not that much faith that all responsible parties perform their regular checks with sufficient care.

If you want to put on your security paranoia hat, I'm sure that an unsupervised passenger could have hidden nasty stuff in places where you don't usually check.

All I'm trying to point out, is that this is not a non-event, and that I find it hard not to partially blame AC for this. Assuming the information in the article is correct.
What are they going to stash? A bottle of water? something they brought through security? You got it... paranoia...

I agree not a non-event entirely. But "blame"... always "blame"... blame the airline because 1 employee, probably an FA didn't see someone... then extend that to say pilots and engineers don't know how to do their jobs?

There was a mistake by both parties here, but it isn't a PTSD event, and the airline responded right after the fact offering hotel/transport... and I have full faith in the pilots and engineers diligence in their checks.
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:10 pm

altiplano wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:55 pm


I agree not a non-event entirely. But "blame"... always "blame"... blame the airline because 1 employee, probably an FA didn't see someone... then extend that to say pilots and engineers don't know how to do their jobs?
If you can't blame a company for a mistake of it's employees, then no company is ever to blame for anything. That does lead me to "blame" AC.

I'd say at least 2 parties made an obvious mistake: the FA and the groomers.


There was a mistake by both parties here, but it isn't a PTSD event, and the airline responded right after the fact offering hotel/transport... and I have full faith in the pilots and engineers diligence in their checks.
Still not sure what mistake the passenger made by sleeping on an airplane. If you take a nap on the plane, do set your alarm clock for the estimated landing time so you don't get left behind?

If you are refering to the PTSD, then I agree the passenger is exaggerating. Then again, I wouldn't appreciate being locked into a plane either.

Regarding the checks: I'm not blaming the pilots or AMEs, but -going out on a limb here as I don't know the specific procedures at AC-, aren't the FAs generally responsible to preflight check the cabin and emerency exits? If you miss a person sleeping on a seat, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd miss a smaller indicator on the door that something might be off.

Or put differently: I wouldn't doubt an FA's due diligence in his/her checks, but I also wouldn't doubt that they would notice it if there was a passenger left on the plane.
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Post by pianokeys » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:31 pm

digits_ wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:10 pm
I'd say at least 2 parties made an obvious mistake: the FA and the groomers.

Regarding the checks: I'm not blaming the pilots or AMEs, but -going out on a limb here as I don't know the specific procedures at AC-, aren't the FAs generally responsible to preflight check the cabin and emerency exits? If you miss a person sleeping on a seat, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd miss a smaller indicator on the door that something might be off.
Thats why I dont think this shits true. Too many people on and off that plane. Groomers are supposed to check every seat pocket, cross seat belts. etc... so how do they miss one of 120 seats? Let alone a whole row?

AC says theyre investigating which tells me theyve listened to her claim but have not confirmed it as true. And what gate agent offers a hotel at the passengers final destination?
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:35 pm

Agreed, that does make it sound weird.

However, if she was indeed trapped on the airplane, somebody must have assisted her to get out of the plane. One of the gazillion cameras at the airport should probably have recorded that.

Regardless wether it was intentional or accidental, someone should have noticed her before the plane was parked for the night.
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Post by jakeandelwood » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:23 pm

This is on every news channel now, she really wants everyone to know. If I slept thru the whole de planing I'd be so embarrassed I wouldn't want anyone to know. This has to be some kind of money grab stunt.
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Post by digits_ » Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:38 pm

jakeandelwood wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 6:23 pm
This is on every news channel now, she really wants everyone to know. If I slept thru the whole de planing I'd be so embarrassed I wouldn't want anyone to know. This has to be some kind of money grab stunt.
Oh I don't doubt that, but just because she tries to make money off of it doesn't mean it is acceptable what happened.

Back in the day I was always told by dispatch to do a thorough headcount as to not leave any passengers behind. I always figured they didn't want us to leave pax in the terminal, maybe there was a second meaning to that sentence...
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Post by rookiepilot » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:10 pm

This guy had some trauma. Deserves a few sleepless nights.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.5180802
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