Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

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Air Canada passenger wakes up to find herself 'forgotten' in empty plane

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Oh my god Air Canada so bad. No. How about some personal responsibility?
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"Night terrors" .


People have an awfully low threshold for anxiety disorders these days.

A huge number of Americans claim to have anxiety disorders because Trump was elected.

Which shows the immaturity of the population and disrespects anyone with real trauma.
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Say what now?

Sleeping during a flight is a fairly common activity. I'd say basic customer service would be to be woken up by the crew or groomers.

If you're big on security, then leaving an unaccompanied passenger in the plane would probably be breaking a few regulations as well.

Does she need to run to the press with a sob story? Hard to say. I'm sure Air Canada would be more forthcoming with compensation now that it has reached the newspapers.
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rookiepilot wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:38 pm "Night terrors" .


People have an awfully low threshold for anxiety disorders these days.
True, that's a bit over the top.
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Wow, what a whale of a tale about a fight for survival in the treacherous wilderness of an airport! Luckily they didn't have to spend a freezing June night in that plane surviving off peanuts and coffee creamers. :lol:
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What else was she planning on?

She was offered a hotel but said she wanted to go home...

Doesn't sound like she is out anything at all but a few hours of her time in the middle of the night... that she would have been sleeping anyway... she's got a good story out of it worth more than the flight.
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So she wakes up on a 737 Max, complains to the airline, several months pass, then it hits the news. I wonder if she’s one of those professional plaintiffs who didn’t initially get the settlement she wanted.
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This is pathetic. Everyone wants their fifteen minutes of fame. I know the last time this happened it was one of my family members who "stayed asleep" during deplaning so she could get a free ride to Tor Bay as it was a through flight. Shes went to jail shortly after for unrelated cheque fraud. I bet this Tiffani doofus is a scammer too trying to get a free flight, this just doesnt add up.

You mean to tell me the cabin groomers, and then buddy riding the brakes to the stand didnt see this broad? What about the chance that mx came and looked at the plane for fun before it was towed off?
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For the people who think this is a non-event: would you want to fly a plane after a passenger has been messing with the exit doors and has been pressing buttons in the cockpit unsupervised for a few hours?
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That's what maintenance, FFOD, and cockpit checks are for...
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Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
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Cant wait for the Movie.
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digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
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Lots of times I find switches out of place, books missing, things in the wrong places, and there wasn't someone left onboard..

Who knows... that's the point of all the checks we do...
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Could have been a better lawsuit if she jumped out.
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Is checking the seats are empty part of flight attendants post flight duties? Or anyone else's?
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ahramin wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 am
digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
Theoretically true, but if you miss a passenger in the plane, I have not that much faith that all responsible parties perform their regular checks with sufficient care.

If you want to put on your security paranoia hat, I'm sure that an unsupervised passenger could have hidden nasty stuff in places where you don't usually check.

All I'm trying to point out, is that this is not a non-event, and that I find it hard not to partially blame AC for this. Assuming the information in the article is correct.
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digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:27 am
ahramin wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:57 am
digits_ wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:05 am Right, so you'll do nothing different when accepting an airplane on a regular morning vs accepting an airplane where a passenger has been messing around in?
Correct.

How do you know what happened overnight before your "regular" morning?
Theoretically true, but if you miss a passenger in the plane, I have not that much faith that all responsible parties perform their regular checks with sufficient care.

If you want to put on your security paranoia hat, I'm sure that an unsupervised passenger could have hidden nasty stuff in places where you don't usually check.

All I'm trying to point out, is that this is not a non-event, and that I find it hard not to partially blame AC for this. Assuming the information in the article is correct.
What are they going to stash? A bottle of water? something they brought through security? You got it... paranoia...

I agree not a non-event entirely. But "blame"... always "blame"... blame the airline because 1 employee, probably an FA didn't see someone... then extend that to say pilots and engineers don't know how to do their jobs?

There was a mistake by both parties here, but it isn't a PTSD event, and the airline responded right after the fact offering hotel/transport... and I have full faith in the pilots and engineers diligence in their checks.
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altiplano wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:55 pm

I agree not a non-event entirely. But "blame"... always "blame"... blame the airline because 1 employee, probably an FA didn't see someone... then extend that to say pilots and engineers don't know how to do their jobs?
If you can't blame a company for a mistake of it's employees, then no company is ever to blame for anything. That does lead me to "blame" AC.

I'd say at least 2 parties made an obvious mistake: the FA and the groomers.


There was a mistake by both parties here, but it isn't a PTSD event, and the airline responded right after the fact offering hotel/transport... and I have full faith in the pilots and engineers diligence in their checks.
Still not sure what mistake the passenger made by sleeping on an airplane. If you take a nap on the plane, do set your alarm clock for the estimated landing time so you don't get left behind?

If you are refering to the PTSD, then I agree the passenger is exaggerating. Then again, I wouldn't appreciate being locked into a plane either.

Regarding the checks: I'm not blaming the pilots or AMEs, but -going out on a limb here as I don't know the specific procedures at AC-, aren't the FAs generally responsible to preflight check the cabin and emerency exits? If you miss a person sleeping on a seat, I wouldn't be surprised if you'd miss a smaller indicator on the door that something might be off.

Or put differently: I wouldn't doubt an FA's due diligence in his/her checks, but I also wouldn't doubt that they would notice it if there was a passenger left on the plane.
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