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Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by tbaylx » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:07 am

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatch ... -1.5271271

Why would the aircraft leave empty and leave the pax behind after a diversion for cigarette smoke?
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by rigpiggy » Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:41 pm

because it would need a full inspection by a qualified amo prior to return to service
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by Heliian » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:40 am

What kind of low life tries to smoke on a plane? Of course the loser won't even come forward to accept responsibility so the flight can continue. I hope they get fined huge.

As for the plane leaving, schedules must be kept with the aircraft.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by valleyboy » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:24 am

welcome to low cost flying
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by BMLtech » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:50 am

valleyboy wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:24 am
welcome to low cost flying
a.k.a. pigs in space..
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by altiplano » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:35 am

Really? A diversion for someone smoking cigarettes?

Crew wearing O2 masks? and a diversion?

This either isn't cigarettes smoke or the crew is making some strange decisions...
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by GoinVertical » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:45 am

altiplano wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:35 am
Really? A diversion for someone smoking cigarettes?

Crew wearing O2 masks? and a diversion?

This either isn't cigarettes smoke or the crew is making some strange decisions...
Says they couldn't find the source. Smoke is smoke, if they had a smoke warning and couldn't be sure they found the source, I'd say they made a solid call.

Perhaps they found the cigarette butt after the aircraft was ferried back and inspected by maintenance.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by altiplano » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:29 am

Oh. I thought it was cigarettes.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by GoinVertical » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:42 am

altiplano wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:29 am
Oh. I thought it was cigarettes.
"Failing to find the source of cigarette smoke the plane was safely diverted to Regina," the statement said.
So they were pretty sure it was cigarette smoke but couldn't find the source. I'd divert too if I had a smoke warning in conjunction.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by Capt. Underpants » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:39 am

One of the first principles of smoke procedures is LAND ASAP unless you are absolutely 100% certain that it’s been eliminated. Even then, it’s still prudent to get on the ground just to be sure.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by altiplano » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:44 pm

If they knew it was a cigarette, but no one owned up to it, a cigarette diversion isn't appropriate IMO.

If they just suspected a cigarette, but weren't certain, so they diverted, okay... as you say unknown smoke source... absolutely diversion appropriate... but why then did they just blast off again after deplaning... that doesn't make sense... even a ferry flight after a smoke diversion there should have been an inspection.

Or did the pilots find the butt in a seatback while they groomed?
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by valleyboy » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:58 pm

With all the negative publicity Swoop (puts the picture of a big shit hawk diving on French Fries in my mind's eye) the only question I have is who's bullshitting who. :roll: Too many holes in this story.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by Heliian » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 am

altiplano wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:44 pm
If they knew it was a cigarette, but no one owned up to it, a cigarette diversion isn't appropriate IMO.

If they just suspected a cigarette, but weren't certain, so they diverted, okay... as you say unknown smoke source... absolutely diversion appropriate... but why then did they just blast off again after deplaning... that doesn't make sense... even a ferry flight after a smoke diversion there should have been an inspection.

Or did the pilots find the butt in a seatback while they groomed?
A diversion was 100% the right thing to do when someone hides a butt somewhere in the plane. These lessons have been learned already.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by altiplano » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:35 pm

Heliian wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:11 am
altiplano wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:44 pm
If they knew it was a cigarette, but no one owned up to it, a cigarette diversion isn't appropriate IMO.

If they just suspected a cigarette, but weren't certain, so they diverted, okay... as you say unknown smoke source... absolutely diversion appropriate... but why then did they just blast off again after deplaning... that doesn't make sense... even a ferry flight after a smoke diversion there should have been an inspection.

Or did the pilots find the butt in a seatback while they groomed?
A diversion was 100% the right thing to do when someone hides a butt somewhere in the plane. These lessons have been learned already.
Is that what happened? They hid it? Was it found in flight?
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by pelmet » Sun Sep 29, 2019 4:23 pm

C-FYBK, Boeing 737-800 aircraft operated by Swoop Inc., was conducting flight WSW537 from
London (CYXU), ON to Edmonton International (CYEG), AB with 6 crew members and 173
passengers on board. During cruise, the cabin crew and flight crew recognized a smell of cigarette
smoke in the aircraft. The 'Smoke in the Cockpit' procedure from the Quick Reference Checklist
(QRC) was actioned, a MAYDAY declared with a diversion to Regina, International (CYQR), SK.
After landing in CYQR, fire and rescue scanned the aircraft for heat signature, with no evidence of
fire found. The flight crew taxied the aircraft to the gate for passenger deplaning.
The operator's maintenance inspected both cargo pits, the electronics and equipment bay, and
hydraulic levels with no evidence of smoke and no faults were found.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by pelmet » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:34 am

Capt. Underpants wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:39 am
One of the first principles of smoke procedures is LAND ASAP unless you are absolutely 100% certain that it’s been eliminated. Even then, it’s still prudent to get on the ground just to be sure.
Looks like this crew made absolutely 100% sure that it was eliminated, no doubt made contingency plans, didn't over-react and then decided it was prudent to continue....I agree.

C-GWWJ, the WestJet Boeing 737-800, was operating as flight WJA1485 from Palm Springs
(KPSP), CA to Edmonton (CYEG), AB. During cruise flight the cabin crew reported to the flight
crew that smoke was coming from a coffee maker. The cabin crew turned off the coffee maker and
the smoke dissipated. The flight continued to CYEG without further incident. No emergency was
declared and there were no injuries. Company maintenance replaced the coffee maker unit.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by pelmet » Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:15 pm

Another incident but different sort of situation. You will have to translate and then sort through the translation to make sense of it, but seems well handled as compared to the panic and automatically divert/evacuate crowd......

"C-GSPW un Boeing 737-200 exploité par Air Inuit sous l'indicatif de vol AIE752 avec à son bord 4
membres d'équipage et 28 passagers effectuait un vol selon les règles de vol aux instruments de
Montréal Pierre Elliot Trudeau Intl (CYUL), Québec à destination de Val-d'Or (CYVO) Québec.
Suivant l'atterrissage à CYVO l'équipage de conduite a reçu une indication de feu du groupe
auxiliaire de puissance (APU) ainsi que l'indication que la bouteille extincteur s'était déchargée.
Constatant que l'indication de feu était toujours présente, l'équipage de conduite a immobilisé
l'appareil sur la piste et a demandé la présence du sauvetage et lutte contre le feu en cas
d'accident (ARFF) afin de vérifier s'il y avait présence de fumée ou de flammes à l'arrière de
l'appareil. N'ayant reçu aucune confirmation de présence de fumée ou flammes l'appareil a circulé
jusqu'à son stationnement prévu et a procédé à un débarquement rapide des passagers puisque
l'indication de feu était toujours présente. Tous les occupants ont évacué l'appareil. Le personnel
ARFF est arrivé quelques minutes plus tard. Une vérification de l'APU a permis de constater qu'il
n'y avait aucune trace d'incendie.Personne n'a été blessé et l'appareil n'a subi aucun dommage."
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by Scuderia » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 pm

Pelmet, just curious where you get these reports from? The wording in some of the things you post are different from the CADORS write ups.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:24 pm

pelmet wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:15 pm
Another incident but different sort of situation. You will have to translate and then sort through the translation to make sense of it....

"C-GSPW un Boeing 737-200 exploité par Air Inuit sous l'indicatif de vol AIE752 avec à son bord 4
membres d'équipage et 28 passagers effectuait un vol selon les règles de vol aux instruments de
Montréal Pierre Elliot Trudeau Intl (CYUL), Québec à destination de Val-d'Or (CYVO) Québec.
Suivant l'atterrissage à CYVO l'équipage de conduite a reçu une indication de feu du groupe
auxiliaire de puissance (APU) ainsi que l'indication que la bouteille extincteur s'était déchargée.
Constatant que l'indication de feu était toujours présente, l'équipage de conduite a immobilisé
l'appareil sur la piste et a demandé la présence du sauvetage et lutte contre le feu en cas
d'accident (ARFF) afin de vérifier s'il y avait présence de fumée ou de flammes à l'arrière de
l'appareil. N'ayant reçu aucune confirmation de présence de fumée ou flammes l'appareil a circulé
jusqu'à son stationnement prévu et a procédé à un débarquement rapide des passagers puisque
l'indication de feu était toujours présente. Tous les occupants ont évacué l'appareil. Le personnel
ARFF est arrivé quelques minutes plus tard. Une vérification de l'APU a permis de constater qu'il
n'y avait aucune trace d'incendie.Personne n'a été blessé et l'appareil n'a subi aucun dommage."
Thank you Google Translate:
"C-GSPW a Boeing 737-200 operated by Air Inuit under the flight code AIE752 with 4 on board
crew members and 28 passengers were flying under instrument flight rules
Montreal Pierre Elliot Trudeau Intl (CYUL), Quebec to Val-d'Or (CYVO) Quebec.
Following landing at CYVO, the flight crew received a fire indication from the group
power auxiliary (APU) as well as the indication that the fire extinguisher bottle had been discharged.
Finding that the indication of fire was still present, the flight crew immobilized
the aircraft on the runway and requested the presence of rescue and fire fighting in the event
accident (ARFF) to check for smoke or flame behind the vehicle
the device. Having received no confirmation of the presence of smoke or flames, the device has circulated
to its planned parking lot and quickly disembarked the passengers since
the indication of fire was still present. All occupants evacuated the aircraft. The staff
ARFF arrived a few minutes later. An audit of the APU found that it
there was no evidence of a fire. No one was injured and the aircraft was not damaged. "
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by pelmet » Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:06 pm

Scuderia wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 pm
Pelmet, just curious where you get these reports from? The wording in some of the things you post are different from the CADORS write ups.
They come directly from the TSB five days a week. I'm a bit behind on my emails but just read this well-handled one.....

Air Canada Boeing 777-300 aircraft (AC872, C-FITU) was on climb out from Toronto /Lester B.
Pearson International (CYYZ), ON when the cabin crew reported an odour and smoke in the
forward cabin. The crew isolated the smoke coming from the In-Flight Entertainment System (IFE)
in seat 9D. The IFE was selected off and the smoke dissipated. There was no emergency declared
and the flight continued to Frankfurt (EDDF), Germany. Upon arrival, maintenance replaced the
screen in seat 9D IAW AMM. The unit was checked serviceable with no further smoke evident.
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Re: Swoop CYQR Smoke diversion

Post by Scuderia » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:28 am

pelmet wrote:
Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:06 pm
Scuderia wrote:
Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:07 pm
Pelmet, just curious where you get these reports from? The wording in some of the things you post are different from the CADORS write ups.
They come directly from the TSB five days a week. I'm a bit behind on my emails but just read this well-handled one.....

Air Canada Boeing 777-300 aircraft (AC872, C-FITU) was on climb out from Toronto /Lester B.
Pearson International (CYYZ), ON when the cabin crew reported an odour and smoke in the
forward cabin. The crew isolated the smoke coming from the In-Flight Entertainment System (IFE)
in seat 9D. The IFE was selected off and the smoke dissipated. There was no emergency declared
and the flight continued to Frankfurt (EDDF), Germany. Upon arrival, maintenance replaced the
screen in seat 9D IAW AMM. The unit was checked serviceable with no further smoke evident.
Thanks. Is this a public mailing list?

If the cabin crew reports to me a fire that was put out, before deciding to continue to the destination I want to personally inspect the site -- I'm not keen to accept a second-hand assessment if I'm to continue the flight. This one happened in the climb out and I'm not leaving my seat then.
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