Saab 2000 overrun at Dutch Harbor

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Saab 2000 overrun at Dutch Harbor

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Oh man, another reason to avoid the propeller seat rows.
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A good plan might be to request a seat in
an area not close in line with the prop. Or just take a suitable empty seat.
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pelmet wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:38 am If no other option was available, I would likely leave my seat just prior to landing.
Where would you go?
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Daniel Cooper wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:12 am
pelmet wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:38 am If no other option was available, I would likely leave my seat just prior to landing.
Where would you go?
That is a good question(with reference to the link to the other thread) It is a tough decision. Getting out of ones seat during an emergency landing could result in an injury when there would not have been an injury. Staying in the seat with the seat belt on could be fatal. If you get up, the cabin crew might be yelling at you to sit down. But there is a gear issue and we have seen repeated incidents of the prop going through the fuselage. There is a seat in the washroom.
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It doesn't appear that this landing started out being an emergency landing. It would seem that it turned into one when the crew elected to land with a considerable tailwind (not quartering, it was right down the runway).
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Maybe you could ask the FAs to move seats during the emergency landing preparations? Certainly smarter than getting up and walking around
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goingnowherefast wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:14 am Maybe you could ask the FAs to move seats during the emergency landing preparations? Certainly smarter than getting up and walking around
If there was another seat clear of the prop, that would be a very good idea. And make the suggestion to them to move all people in that row to available seat that are clear of the prop path.

The question was based on no empty seats available.
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Were you also the guy that said he would punch people during an evacuation?
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Dry Guy wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:58 am Were you also the guy that said he would punch people during an evacuation?
Not as a general rule. I only suggested that people whose life is put at serious risk by others blocking your escape route to get their now useless(as compared to a life) baggage take such action.

Based on some of the replies I saw to that recommendation, it appears some of those type of people who are likely to be willing to be blockers(and sacrifice a life for their suitcase) have taken offense.

Here is a potential situation.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaK6EEhqUKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZCLp2OnskQ

Here is a definite situation...…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDK_mifUqjI

...that is worth a broken hand.
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....or just don't land with a 20-30 knot tailwind and avoid the whole prop/airplane breaking all-together...
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The Public Docket is out. This is how accident investigations should be completed.

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100437

Seems to me they really "set the hook" the moment they made the decision to simply do a teardrop and come back in, although they started aligning the cheese holes before that. The only smart thing they did was commence the go-around the first time. Everything else was bad CRM on many levels, nevermind questionable flying decisions by a captain who (with his overall experience) should have known better (even with only 140 Hrs on type).

Read through the documents. It's pretty hair-raising.

Would love to hear comments from any pilots with Saab 2000 experience.
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