Deadly plane crash at Aspen airport

Topics related to accidents, incidents & over due aircraft should be placed in this forum.

Moderators: ahramin, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore

Message
Author
CFR
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 774
Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:51 pm
Location: CYAV

Re: Deadly plane crash at Aspen airport

#101 Post by CFR » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:27 am

pdw wrote:
....suggestions like ATC knowing all aircraft limitations and being responsible for controlling them within those limits ..... :lol:
a shared responsibility
... usually results in no responsibility at critical times. The most ATC wants to know is your approach speed to allow for sequencing. Lets just keep it that pilots know and act on pilot stuff and ATC knows and acts on ATC stuff.
---------- ADS -----------
  

pdw
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1468
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:51 am
Location: A mile final 24 CYSN

Re: Deadly plane crash at Aspen airport

#102 Post by pdw » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:23 pm

CFR wrote:
pdw wrote:
....suggestions like ATC knowing all aircraft limitations and being responsible for controlling them within those limits .....:
a shared responsibility
... usually results in no responsibility at critical times.
I see what you mean there.
The most ATC wants to know is your approach speed to allow for sequencing. Lets just keep it that pilots know and act on pilot stuff and ATC knows and acts on ATC stuff.
Absolutely.
---------- ADS -----------
  

pelmet
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3076
Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:48 pm

Re: Deadly plane crash at Aspen airport

#103 Post by pelmet » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:05 pm

Just read an article on the accident. Basically, they tried to do a straight-in approach with a steep descent gradient and a huge tailwind. It didn't work out the first time so they tried again.

Here is the article.....
http://aviationweek.com/bca/poor-decisi ... gger-crash

This is the accident report....
https://www.ntsb.gov/GILS/_layouts/ntsb ... 099&akey=1

Here is the CVR.....
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/55500-55999 ... 596588.pdf

FDR...
https://dms.ntsb.gov/public/55500-55999 ... 596583.pdf

I really don't understand why they waited until what appears to be short final before putting the gear down along with full flap. If you have even a modest tailwind on a normal descent gradient, you want to do this early. It also sounds like the spoiler was being used into the flare based on the CVR recording which might explain a hard touchdown and bounce. Not much mention of that in the report. Perhaps they bounced and subsequently pushed the nose down. The report seems to be missing critical info.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Post Reply

Return to “Accidents, Incidents & Overdue Aircraft”