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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by Blueontop » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:18 pm

Is Cathay only hiring SO or are they also hiring FOs as well?
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:46 pm

According to the site they hire F/O's as well but for either it's a 7 year bond and they deduct your pay for it.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by altiplano » Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:55 pm

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According to the site they hire F/O's as well but for either it's a 7 year bond and they deduct your pay for it.
I think it's a 7 year prorated payback on the big signing bonus they give you to help you get set up in HKG... If you leave in 3.5 years you pay half back.

What is it? $30K or $40K? Everyone I know banked the majority of it.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:24 pm

If thata the case, it's not well explained
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by altiplano » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:39 pm

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Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:24 pm
If thata the case, it's not well explained
I didn't read anything. That's just what my friends at CX told me.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Sun Feb 10, 2019 5:49 am

Fair enough. Still amounts to the same thing right? It's a 7 year agreement, and they deduct it off your pay. Even if it's paying back a bonus.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by andy.air » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:35 pm

MarkyMark90 wrote:
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after a logbook filled with 4 years of SO P2X time which isn't even worth the paper its written on.
4 years and you’re still not upgradable as a FO ?
4 years is pretty common to be an SO in the past (from chats with some of the FOs there), and I don't believe there is a single SO who has gone past 5 years yet (granted, some have upgraded with way less). The P2X rating is only valid for 5 years per Hong Kong's authority, and I think the only way to get around this is if the airline makes you redo the training (which is probably more expensive than just upgrading you), or just finds some way to circumvent this limitation.

This all said, the current climate at CX can be described as quite murky with an uncertain future. The airline underwent some rather illogical cost-cutting measures. They are crewing 2 SOs for some of their long haul flights now, which means delayed upgrades in upwards towards the 5 year mark for the prospective SO (lower demand for FOs, and higher demand for SOs). There has not been a collective/tentative agreement between the union and the company for about half a decade now, with a recent agreement falling through. New joiners post December 2018 are also on a new contract that is degraded (D-Scale), and no one on the A through C scale are too happy about it. Cadets have to pay half their training now (through salary dedications), although you might get a pass if you join as a direct-entry SO. Unless some of these policies are reversed, it may be turbulent times ahead.
Fair enough. Still amounts to the same thing right? It's a 7 year agreement, and they deduct it off your pay. Even if it's paying back a bonus.


I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a such a long bond anymore unless you do a full cadetship, which you probably won't be doing without a Hong Kong permanent residence anyways. To my knowledge, they offer some smaller loans now which you can take or leave to get you set up in Hong Kong. If you don't take it, your bond is only as long as the cost to get you converted.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:28 pm

I figured it was only for the cadets but unfortunately straight from their website it's for cadets, direct entry so, and for.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:55 pm

My mistake. It wasn't Cathay it was Singapore.

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Successful candidates will be required to serve the employer company for the duration of the training and for a period of seven years from the date of appointment as First Officer.

For ab initio, direct so or fo. 7 years doesn't even kick in till FO upgrade though.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by Dingbatt » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:57 pm


. . . The P2X rating is only valid for 5 years per Hong Kong's authority. . . or just finds some way to circumvent this limitation. . . .The airline underwent some rather illogical cost-cutting measures. They are crewing 2 SOs for some of their long haul flights now
And thats just the thing, they have found a way. 5 years is an arbitrary limit anyways, but now new SOs get a P1X (still not P1) rating. Its all part of a plan to restructure the airline from 1CN 2FO 1SO Long haul to 1CN 1FO 2SO Long haul. Therefore, they need fewer FOs and more SOs. So upgrade times are at the 5 year mark right now, but if anything it will increase or best case it remains the same. There are plenty of cadets joining with 0 hours, so they'll have more than enough recruits. It just saves cathay a bit of cash if you join with a CPL that YOU paid for, rather than a cadet who haid his/hers paid for by Cathay :smt021
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by altiplano » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:11 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:55 pm
My mistake. It wasn't Cathay it was Singapore.

Bond
Successful candidates will be required to serve the employer company for the duration of the training and for a period of seven years from the date of appointment as First Officer.

For ab initio, direct so or fo. 7 years doesn't even kick in till FO upgrade though.
Does Singapore even hire expats anymore? I thought they kicked them all out at one point.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by C-GGGQ » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:11 pm

Maybe not in actuality, but on paper yes. Only one that openly says for Singapore residents is cadet.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by MarkyMark90 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:27 pm

How is it to be a SO/RP... I mean, the joy of flying is to perform takeoff and landing for most of us. Doesn’t it get boring after a while of just “monitoring” the AP, even on a 777 ?
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by andy.air » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:08 pm

Dingbatt wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:57 pm

. . . The P2X rating is only valid for 5 years per Hong Kong's authority. . . or just finds some way to circumvent this limitation. . . .The airline underwent some rather illogical cost-cutting measures. They are crewing 2 SOs for some of their long haul flights now
And thats just the thing, they have found a way. 5 years is an arbitrary limit anyways, but now new SOs get a P1X (still not P1) rating. Its all part of a plan to restructure the airline from 1CN 2FO 1SO Long haul to 1CN 1FO 2SO Long haul. Therefore, they need fewer FOs and more SOs. So upgrade times are at the 5 year mark right now, but if anything it will increase or best case it remains the same. There are plenty of cadets joining with 0 hours, so they'll have more than enough recruits. It just saves cathay a bit of cash if you join with a CPL that YOU paid for, rather than a cadet who haid his/hers paid for by Cathay :smt021
Dingbatt, do you know anyone who has physically received a P1X rating recently? I legitimately want to know, as I posed this question up the grapevine once several months back, and most of the guys thought it was more of a Cathay thing than an actual rating (since there is neither reference of a P1X at HKCAD's site, nor is there reference in ops D).

You can PM me if you prefer. Thanks.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by altiplano » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:20 pm

MarkyMark90 wrote:
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How is it to be a SO/RP... I mean, the joy of flying is to perform takeoff and landing for most of us. Doesn’t it get boring after a while of just “monitoring” the AP, even on a 777 ?
I believe when you have flown professionally long enough, the joy for many of this career is being able to spend time with family and pursue your other interests.

I dedicated a lot of years to flying before the airlines and in the airlines, countless sectors/take-offs/landings - I could care less. As much money as possible for as little time away... that's the formula for me... joy? meh...
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by Hilroy » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:00 pm

altiplano wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:20 pm
joy? meh...
Some of us are still excited to the feeling of flying, even at 60. We're not all like you :)
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by altiplano » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:40 pm

Okay... have fun in your Twotter FO Caribbean job at 60... probably right up your alley then...

I like my job fine enough, I like my home life better though and when I want to have fun and be excited in an aircraft I'll buy my own plane.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by co-joe » Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:01 pm

If Cx wants Canadians, it's probably because they know we're suckers who will work for no money, will always accept worse wawcon, and won't complain.
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Re: Cathay Looking For Canadians

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:08 am

co-joe wrote:
Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:01 pm
If Cx wants Canadians, it's probably because they know we're suckers who will work for no money, will always accept worse wawcon, and won't complain.
Bingo!!!!
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