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Re: Air Georgian

#226 Post by Oxi » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:26 am

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Roger1989 wrote:Im not sure why anyone applies to air Georgian with so much out there.
They are currently joining alpa but that will have no effect for a minimum of two years. Be smart about where you sign a contract. Unless your coming off an instructing gig I don't see how you could possibly want to work for those people.
I seriously don't understand this mentality. You don't think people would have gone to fly a Q4 at jazz or encore first? The people that end up going to Georgian end up doing so because they were first offered jobs by them. Are you suggesting everyone puts their eggs in other baskets? That's a terrible decision. One of the lessons I've learned in aviation is to apply where you WANT to go, and take what's offered in front of you first.

The mentality of turning down some jobs is quite unbelievable around here. Not everyone is in a place to not apply or not take a job, whether it be at Georgian or anywhere else.
The folks I have known as previous co workers have been PFOd by both and/or Jazz and Encore and only then took Air Georgian.
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Re: Air Georgian

#227 Post by Jimmy2 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:28 am

So how are things at Georgian these days for a CRJ F/O? Is it still $37/hour plus per diems? What's a typical day/week/month like working there?
Approximately how long for upgrade to Captain? What happened with the ALPA vote? Are they still deciding if they are going to join? How many months/years is it currently taking to get your PML interview at AC? Thanks.
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Re: Air Georgian

#228 Post by AvLife » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:42 pm

Also curious about current GGN situation. Is anyone here flying the 1900 or CRJ for them?
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Re: Air Georgian

#229 Post by Roger1989 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:44 am

They have joined alpa but from my understanding it's still the worst place to work. The few I knew there have since left to Encore and Cargojet.
Typical work day is 13 hours. It's probably the worst decision you could make to join that company. I'm sure you can find someone who works there currently to confirm the facts.
Everyone is hiring be patient.
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Re: Air Georgian

#230 Post by Roger1989 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:42 pm

How is air georgian still able to staff their airplanes? This is absurd. One figured The PML scandal of theirs would come to light but these kids are buying it and signing contracts. Unbelievable folks. It's a matter of time I suppose before they figure it out and run.
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Re: Air Georgian

#231 Post by skypirate88 » Mon Mar 06, 2017 5:46 pm

Roger1989 wrote:How is air georgian still able to staff their airplanes? This is absurd. One figured The PML scandal of theirs would come to light but these kids are buying it and signing contracts. Unbelievable folks. It's a matter of time I suppose before they figure it out and run.
And what exactly is their PML scandal? If you're going to throw out accusations, you may as well be specific.
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Re: Air Georgian

#232 Post by gtanorth » Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:19 pm

The PML works the same at GGN as it does anywhere, the only difference is that a certain mud slinger didn't get axed from the other express partners. The PML is certainly no scam, it is a way for AC to get pilots into the system while controlling attrition from Express to outside of the big red team. The real only attrition outside of AC now is those that got PFO'd or those that don't want AC for whatever personal reason or circumstance.
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Re: Air Georgian

#233 Post by flying4dollars » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:58 am

Roger1989 wrote:They have joined alpa but from my understanding it's still the worst place to work. The few I knew there have since left to Encore and Cargojet.
Typical work day is 13 hours. It's probably the worst decision you could make to join that company. I'm sure you can find someone who works there currently to confirm the facts.
Everyone is hiring be patient.

Interesting. My typical work day is about 9 hours. Of which a fair bit is spent hanging out in the airport lounge relaxing. And yes, I work here. Many pilots have moved on to ac. The pml is not a scam. Not sure where this belief comes from. Worst decision to work here based on what? Yup, you'll find a few who don't like it here. You'll also find many who do. If you're going to throw out slanderous comments, why not back it up with facts that you didn't get from guys you know who know guys who worked here?

Or are you a disgruntled employee hiding behind an Internet forum username? :rolleyes:
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Re: Air Georgian

#234 Post by Roger1989 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:41 am

Flying4peanuts and living off the lounge. A classic georgian pilot.
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Re: Air Georgian

#235 Post by flying4dollars » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:48 am

Roger1989 wrote:Flying4peanuts and living off the lounge. A classic georgian pilot.
Right. Well I won't be feeding any trolls today so I'll move on from your ignorance.
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Re: Air Georgian

#236 Post by MCB » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:52 am

flying4dollars wrote:
Roger1989 wrote:Flying4peanuts and living off the lounge. A classic georgian pilot.
Right. Well I won't be feeding any trolls today so I'll move on from your ignorance.
I've personally observed someone load up a tupperware container. Then we wonder why they ban crew members priority pass cards...
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Re: Air Georgian

#237 Post by Roger1989 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:07 am

It's a matter of time before they get us all booted out of there. Flying4peanuts has no shame. Tells you how it is. Spends most of his day relaxing in the lounge. Brilliant. Is that what you signed up for? Get a real job you troll!
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Re: Air Georgian

#238 Post by Black_Tusk » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:11 am

And here I get annoyed if I have longer than a 2 hour wait between flights. Relaxing in the lounge is the last thing I want to do. Send me flying or send me home.
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Re: Air Georgian

#239 Post by flying4dollars » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:31 am

Black_Tusk wrote:And here I get annoyed if I have longer than a 2 hour wait between flights. Relaxing in the lounge is the last thing I want to do. Send me flying or send me home.
True, but I was trying to shed some light on the supposed 13 hour slave days that was mentioned. Does it happen? Sure it does. Where doesn't it in the airline world? But is it scheduled like this every day? Most certainly not. In either case, nobody here is overworked.
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Re: Air Georgian

#240 Post by Boreas » Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:28 pm

I load my flask up there sometimes :smt040
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Re: Air Georgian

#241 Post by Ancient » Tue Mar 07, 2017 4:42 pm

Pretty sure my Jazz friend said he bought a lounge membership to eat and relax between flights too.
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Re: Air Georgian

#242 Post by gtanorth » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:30 pm

I think most pilots use the lounge in the same way - respectfully. Some unfortunately, from all operators, do abuse it and it may one day cause a crackdown for flightcrew.
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Re: Air Georgian

#243 Post by Black_Tusk » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:28 pm

Nothing wrong with using the lounge if you have to (respectfully of course). That being said, I would rather be flying especially if it's a min credit day.
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Re: Air Georgian

#244 Post by rudder » Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:35 am

No fleet expansion for Georgian in 2017?

What about 2018?
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Re: Air Georgian

#245 Post by mbav8r » Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:20 am

Just my opinion, that'll depend on whether the new union reps play hardball and go for the moon on the first go, also dependant on a strike mandate, when not if the company plays hardball!
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Re: Air Georgian

#246 Post by Black_Tusk » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:51 pm

Good luck trying to strike on Air Canada. We can all see how well that worked out in the past.
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Re: Air Georgian

#247 Post by mbav8r » Sat Mar 11, 2017 2:24 pm

Black_Tusk wrote:Good luck trying to strike on Air Canada. We can all see how well that worked out in the past.
My point about any growth at GGN, it'll depend on how negotiations go.
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Re: Air Georgian

#248 Post by rudder » Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:44 am

With the pilots and flight attendants at GGN now unionized, the costs have only one way to go and that is up. I don't think that anybody signed a card to work more and get paid less.

Staffing requirements will increase even with no growth (decrease in productivity). Cost of labour will go up (improvements in pay, pension, benefits). This is not the fault of the 'unions'. This is an almost inevitable outcome when a company is an outlier on pay and work rules.

Whatever margin on the CPA that now flows to the GGN owners is about to shrink unless AC agrees to assume the increased labour costs as a pass through (unlikely). The net result will be an eventual levelling of the playing field when it comes to Express labour costs. Labour should never be forced to compete.
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Re: Air Georgian

#249 Post by Roger1989 » Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:49 pm

rudder wrote:With the pilots and flight attendants at GGN now unionized, the costs have only one way to go and that is up. I don't think that anybody signed a card to work more and get paid less.

Staffing requirements will increase even with no growth (decrease in productivity). Cost of labour will go up (improvements in pay, pension, benefits). This is not the fault of the 'unions'. This is an almost inevitable outcome when a company is an outlier on pay and work rules.

Whatever margin on the CPA that now flows to the GGN owners is about to shrink unless AC agrees to assume the increased labour costs as a pass through (unlikely). The net result will be an eventual levelling of the playing field when it comes to Express labour costs. Labour should never be forced to compete.
Well put. I can tell you AC will not assume the increased costs. It is all inevitable as you put it that the costs are increasing. georgian is in for a rude awakening. Suddenly the PML carrot will not be so enticing to pilots. Generally the only ones who join and sign simply couldn't get jobs elsewhere and had no choice. I mean why else would one work for such a company? They had approximately 99% vote towards ALPA. Conditions are not great working for them. The guys I know first hand have either left or are in process of leaving even while bonded.
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Re: Air Georgian

#250 Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:42 am

Some go there simply for the jet time as you can be hired directly for the CRJ. This is in contrast to Jazz where you bid and may not get the jet. This would also be after their Sky Regional application hasn't gone anywhere for various reasons.

Some people simply want 500 or 1000hrs of jet time on their resume before applying overseas and elsewhere. ALPA will make their short stay more pleasant. If the company can't afford unionised pilots and flight attendants? Well, they don't care because they're job searching after 6 months anyway.
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