Perimeter Medevac

Got a hot employment or interview tip to help a fellow aviator find a job or looking for a little job advice place your posting here.

Moderators: ahramin, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, North Shore

Message
Author
Spirit
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 110
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:07 pm

Perimeter Medevac

#1 Post by Spirit » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:02 pm

Any info on this gig? Pay, schedule, bond, bases?

TY!
---------- ADS -----------
  

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#2 Post by dttlp9 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:19 pm

Perimeters Medevac Operation is probably the best department to work in at perimeter. You do your own thing away from Winnipeg and all the drama. Nice group of pilots. FO pay is around 41k plus about 7k in per diems. Captain pay around 96k plus about 7k per diems. Schedule is good if you like 7d on 7d off. Rolling duty day takes a bit to get used to. If you're looking to move on in the industry fast try to find something else as medevac is fairly slow depending on base. Expect to average between 20 to 30hrs per rotation if everything is normal. However recently it's been more like 10 to 20hrs per rotation.

Cheers
---------- ADS -----------
  

up on one
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 40
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:41 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#3 Post by up on one » Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:58 pm

Week on week off
Bases are YCR, YIV, YTHx2, YOH, YWG.
1 yr promissory note not sure on the figure, heard around 10k
F/O 41,300 + lunch money
Capt 94,200 + lunch money
Flight passes with various operators
Some in the past have commuted from Ottawa and Toronto areas but if you're late for work because of this it will not go over well.

Contract has been under negotiation for 2 years and sounds like we are close to finalizing our new agreement so these figures could change.
---------- ADS -----------
  

contactapproved
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:13 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#4 Post by contactapproved » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:23 am

94200/yr is starting??? Thats not too shabby. Are all bases rotational or are you based permanently in Thompson/Winnipeg? Are you always assigned to the same base with same crew? Just out of curiosity, what do the Dash 8 captains start at for pay?
---------- ADS -----------
  

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#5 Post by dttlp9 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:29 am

Yeah there is no payscale for medevac. You start and end at those numbers.
You bid on the base you are interested in and the person with the highest seniority gets it. You can get bumped if somebody with higher seniority bids on it after you got a base but only during the first 2 rotations. After that the base is yours. So normally you are with the same crew.
Every rotation of every base starts and ends in YWG. If your plane is in YWG you take it and reposition to base. If not you get shipped out on a sked. (sometimes literally)
Dash Captains start at 68,667/y. After 10 years it's 104,706/y
---------- ADS -----------
  

Spirit
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 110
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:07 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#6 Post by Spirit » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:21 am

Thanks for the info!
---------- ADS -----------
  

digits_
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1201
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:26 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#7 Post by digits_ » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:14 am

dttlp9 wrote:Rolling duty day takes a bit to get used to
What's a rolling duty day?
---------- ADS -----------
  

up on one
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 40
Joined: Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:41 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#8 Post by up on one » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:28 am

It's means you are perpetually fresh.

Say you get a call for a trip at 8am. After this trip is complete and you get back to your assigned base at 1pm you will duty at 11pm unless you sit at base for 9hrs. So if in the case you don't get another call before 10 pm then you are considered fresh and rested for another 15 hrs. You are literally on call 24/7 and are expected to manage your fatigue.
---------- ADS -----------
  

contactapproved
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 26
Joined: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:13 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#9 Post by contactapproved » Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:27 pm

I've heard some not so great things about Perimeter lately. Are pilots generally happy on the medevac side of things? Im the type that when I head north I don't like to hear from the bosses office unless something has seriously gone wrong. Do they let you be and leave it up to you and dispatch to figure things out, or are they on your case for declining a trip for weather and stuff like that?
---------- ADS -----------
  

Black_Tusk
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 693
Joined: Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:57 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#10 Post by Black_Tusk » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:21 pm

up on one wrote:It's means you are perpetually fresh.

Say you get a call for a trip at 8am. After this trip is complete and you get back to your assigned base at 1pm you will duty at 11pm unless you sit at base for 9hrs. So if in the case you don't get another call before 10 pm then you are considered fresh and rested for another 15 hrs. You are literally on call 24/7 and are expected to manage your fatigue.

Is that even legal?
---------- ADS -----------
  

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#11 Post by dttlp9 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:37 pm

From my experience Pilots are GENERALLY unhappy.
At perimeter it depends on what you're looking for. Do you want a good work atmosphere and work relationship, not just with pilots but also with dispatch and other departments? Stay away as far as possible, it sucks!
But if you just wanna go to work, without having to be friends with everybody, work 16 days a month and make 100k for flying 703/704, with flight benefits on 20 or so airlines, for you and your family, and even more airlines for jumpseat agreements, Perimeter is a pretty good place to work for. I have yet to find an operator that pays like Perimeter for flying 703/704. Heck Q400 Pilots make less. Does Perimeter think they are overpaying the Pilots? Oh yeah and they say it, but it doesn't matter as they have a decent contract. Negotiations for even better pay seem to advance as well.
Most unhappy people are those that worked there back in the day when it was still great. But as I said, if you're not there to be friends with them or spend your free time at work it's just fine. Flying the Metro is fun and getting almost twice as much money as the rest of the industry in it's league is pretty darn sweet.
Management putting pressure on the pilots? It happens but it's rare. On medevacs you do your own thing. If you decline a trip dispatch will sometimes try to get another crew on it who usually give them the same answer. If they want to take it further, one phone call to the Chief Pilots fixes that problem. If its unsafe you don't go and that's the end of the story.
---------- ADS -----------
  
Last edited by dttlp9 on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#12 Post by dttlp9 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:41 pm

Black_Tusk wrote:
up on one wrote:It's means you are perpetually fresh.

Say you get a call for a trip at 8am. After this trip is complete and you get back to your assigned base at 1pm you will duty at 11pm unless you sit at base for 9hrs. So if in the case you don't get another call before 10 pm then you are considered fresh and rested for another 15 hrs. You are literally on call 24/7 and are expected to manage your fatigue.

Is that even legal?

At Perimeter it is. They got a special permission from TC. But the deal is that pilots can call in fatigued at any point without questions being asked.
Sometimes they get asked anyways and there is forms to be filled out but usually they are fairly understanding.
---------- ADS -----------
  

North Shore
Rank Moderator
Rank Moderator
Posts: 5246
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:47 pm
Location: Straight outta Dundarave...

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#13 Post by North Shore » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:08 pm

dttlp9 wrote: If you decline a trip dispatch will sometimes try to get another crew on it who usually give them the same answer. If its unsafe you don't go and that's the end of the story.
I know a guy who was killed because of that. Johnny-on-the-spot turned down the trip because of poor wx, boss phoned another guy, didn't tell him about the wx call, and buddy, wanting to be a good company guy, flew off into the sunset...
---------- ADS -----------
  
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?

Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#14 Post by dttlp9 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:29 pm

North Shore wrote:
dttlp9 wrote: If you decline a trip dispatch will sometimes try to get another crew on it who usually give them the same answer. If its unsafe you don't go and that's the end of the story.
I know a guy who was killed because of that. Johnny-on-the-spot turned down the trip because of poor wx, boss phoned another guy, didn't tell him about the wx call, and buddy, wanting to be a good company guy, flew off into the sunset...
I agree it's a very bad practice to pull stuff like that. However nobody would ever be able to blame people from dispatch for that. They hardly know the difference between rain and snow and just try to suck up to their bosses. All TC sees is, a pilot stepped into a plane without checking the weather = bad pilot decision making = pilot error on the TSB report.
---------- ADS -----------
  

dttlp9
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 6
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2017 5:03 pm

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#15 Post by dttlp9 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:36 pm

Well maybe I'm too easy on them. But for me it worked out well.
Get in, get experience, get money, get out.
---------- ADS -----------
  

goingnowherefast
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 924
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#16 Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:48 pm

If you've got the experience to be a medivac captain, you've also got the experience to work at a place that isn't described as "get in, get experience, get money, get out"
---------- ADS -----------
  

NobodyCares
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 10
Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:34 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#17 Post by NobodyCares » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:03 pm

Couldn't have said it better...
goingnowherefast wrote:If you've got the experience to be a medivac captain, you've also got the experience to work at a place that isn't described as "get in, get experience, get money, get out"
---------- ADS -----------
  

North Shore
Rank Moderator
Rank Moderator
Posts: 5246
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 3:47 pm
Location: Straight outta Dundarave...

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#18 Post by North Shore » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:34 pm

Sure, but then you take the 60% paycut to move to a 'big' regional... $100k/yr in the 'Peg goes a long way...
---------- ADS -----------
  
Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?

Ass, Licence, Job. In that order.

goingnowherefast
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 924
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#19 Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:21 pm

I didn't mean a regional. If you have 2000 hours and an ATPL, this is your job market. You can be picky.
---------- ADS -----------
  

bobcaygeon
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 493
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2005 8:03 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#20 Post by bobcaygeon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:38 am

North Shore wrote:
dttlp9 wrote: If you decline a trip dispatch will sometimes try to get another crew on it who usually give them the same answer. If its unsafe you don't go and that's the end of the story.
I know a guy who was killed because of that. Johnny-on-the-spot turned down the trip because of poor wx, boss phoned another guy, didn't tell him about the wx call, and buddy, wanting to be a good company guy, flew off into the sunset...

I've watched Jazz do the exact same thing. We were all in the same crew room so it was kinda funny to watch dispatch call and ask for a different captain and listen to him/her say no and then hang up and then have the phone ring again with dispatch asking for another captain.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
KenoraPilot
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 527
Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:34 pm
Location: Alberta

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#21 Post by KenoraPilot » Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:58 pm

Is it true Perimeter is hiring DEC captains onto the Dash8? Crazy how things have changed since I worked the ramp there years years ago!
---------- ADS -----------
  

NobodyCares
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 10
Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2016 7:34 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#22 Post by NobodyCares » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:02 pm

If anymore metro pilots leave for the dash, there won't be any metros flying!!
---------- ADS -----------
  

goingnowherefast
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 924
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#23 Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:14 pm

How are things at Perimeter these days? How is their venture into Sioux Lookout and Ontario going? I hear rumours, both on here and in person. Not sure what all to believe. PM would be appreciated too.
---------- ADS -----------
  

SuperchargedRS
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1485
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:30 am
Location: the stars playground

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#24 Post by SuperchargedRS » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:03 am

dttlp9 wrote:Well maybe I'm too easy on them. But for me it worked out well.
Get in, get experience, get money, get out.
:roll:
Not everyone wants to be a airline pilot ya know. Personally, as a medevac pilot but not at this company, I enjoy doing some flying that actually means a damn, folks are still alive because of the work my crew and I do. Also depending on where you work/live/fly look at QOL not just gross pay, making 90k in one place can actually be way better than making 150 somewhere else. YMMV
---------- ADS -----------
  

JBI
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 713
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:21 am
Location: YYZ / LGA

Re: Perimeter Medevac

#25 Post by JBI » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:49 am

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Not everyone wants to be a airline pilot ya know. Personally, as a medevac pilot but not at this company, I enjoy doing some flying that actually means a damn, folks are still alive because of the work my crew and I do. Also depending on where you work/live/fly look at QOL not just gross pay, making 90k in one place can actually be way better than making 150 somewhere else. YMMV
Agreed. The flip side, though, is that I would gladly take less money to be at a regional (or somewhere else) that didn't have the "Rolling Duty Day". I did that for a year and while some folks loved it, it was definitely not for me. Not saying one is better than an other, but everyone is different.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Post Reply

Return to “Employment Forum”