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Swoop pay

Post by handyandy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:13 pm

Looks like first year captain pay is about 55% of westjet mainline. Assuming there is no ESP, Profit Share or Options.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by FICU » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm

Captain Hourly Rates
Step 1 - $103.57
Step 2 - $119.50
Step 3 - $131.46z
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by Shady McSly » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:40 pm

That's not that bad, how do I apply?
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:09 am

I hope they're paying by the CARs duty hour.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by FICU » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:43 am

x75 credit hours a month works to about $92,000/year for an NG Captain.

Thanks to the 737 charter airlines here in Canada who most recently lowered the bar on 737 Captain wages because Swoop is running with it.

What a disgrace!
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by swimming » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:17 pm

More information is required. Those paysteps are the first three of a 12 step paystructure pulled directly from Sunwing’s contract. Sunwing has a minimum guarantee of 1000 credits a year if I read the contract correctly. Is Swoop just going to mirror Sunwing’s contract? Still a lot of unknowns.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by ski_bum » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:43 pm

Folks don’t sell yourself short to get into a 737. That pay rate is almost half of Air Canada’s, and a fraction of what our US partners make to do the same job with most probably way better working standards. THERE IS A PILOT SHORTAGE! No need to race to the bottom!!
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by C.W.E. » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:45 pm

THERE IS A PILOT SHORTAGE!
Not yet if they are getting pilots applying and accepting the offer.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by veritas123 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:52 pm

Air China's new flight school!! :D
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by Bede » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:38 am

swimming wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:17 pm
More information is required. Those paysteps are the first three of a 12 step paystructure pulled directly from Sunwing’s contract. Sunwing has a minimum guarantee of 1000 credits a year if I read the contract correctly. Is Swoop just going to mirror Sunwing’s contract? Still a lot of unknowns.
If history is any guide, that hourly rate will be the high point of the contract. Look at Encore, I don't even think that there was OT pay until you hit a certain number of hours. There won't be a contract and few work rules. No options, ESP, etc. But there will be cheap travel on WJ!

Encore pilots were promised career progression and all they get is a bigger airplane at a fraction of the going rate. Shiny airplanes don't put food on the table.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by bezerker » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:16 pm

So if the pay scale is matching Sunwings, and everyone thinks that is not acceptable, then what is acceptable?

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Re: Swoop pay

Post by atphat » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:44 pm

bezerker wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:16 pm
So if the pay scale is matching Sunwings, and everyone thinks that is not acceptable, then what is acceptable?

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I guess the notion of scope is lost on you. Look it up! There is a reason it is article 1 in almost every CBA negotiated for major airline folk.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by bezerker » Sun Jan 14, 2018 2:49 pm

So the pay is acceptable. Glad we sorted that out.

Now tell me about their scope.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by atphat » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:01 pm

That’s ok. I have a feeling it would be a waste of time.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by bezerker » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:15 pm

Maybe start a new thread when you have time then. This one was called Swoop pay.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by Lukymayer » Sun May 26, 2019 10:56 am

FICU wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm
Captain Hourly Rates
Step 1 - $103.57
Step 2 - $119.50
Step 3 - $131.46z
That is horrible wage. I am 737 FO from Czech Republic, time to time flying here in cooperation between my company and Sunwing, so I am curious about wage scale here in Canada. To be honest I was looking for to stay in Canada but compair living cost here against Czech with those wages is kind of immposible. This CPT wage shown above is redicilous. That money Have FO in Europe for 65 hours flying. 3x lower cost for life there. Thats why we have already 6 cpt from Swoop or the other canadian airline in the Europe. I wish and hope for pilots wages increase here in Canada too.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by ReserveTank » Sun May 26, 2019 11:40 pm

That's nuts. I'm down south making 30 percent more money in the right seat. And I'm only flying 20-40 hours per month.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by iflyforpie » Mon May 27, 2019 12:34 pm

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Re: Swoop pay

Post by Yycjetdriver » Mon May 27, 2019 1:28 pm

Lukymayer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 10:56 am
FICU wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm
Captain Hourly Rates
Step 1 - $103.57
Step 2 - $119.50
Step 3 - $131.46z
That is horrible wage. I am 737 FO from Czech Republic, time to time flying here in cooperation between my company and Sunwing, so I am curious about wage scale here in Canada. To be honest I was looking for to stay in Canada but compair living cost here against Czech with those wages is kind of immposible. This CPT wage shown above is redicilous. That money Have FO in Europe for 65 hours flying. 3x lower cost for life there. Thats why we have already 6 cpt from Swoop or the other canadian airline in the Europe. I wish and hope for pilots wages increase here in Canada too.
Are you trolling? I really hope so. You being here is part of the problem.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by RRJetPilot » Mon May 27, 2019 2:08 pm

why is he trolling? don't blame him he's on contract with TUI/Sunwing and gets a temp base here. The Sunwings guys do the same in the summer. He is just making an observation regarding wages VS cost of living. I don't blame him, its atrocious.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by laserstrike » Mon May 27, 2019 6:15 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:28 pm
Lukymayer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 10:56 am
FICU wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm
Captain Hourly Rates
Step 1 - $103.57
Step 2 - $119.50
Step 3 - $131.46z
That is horrible wage. I am 737 FO from Czech Republic, time to time flying here in cooperation between my company and Sunwing, so I am curious about wage scale here in Canada. To be honest I was looking for to stay in Canada but compair living cost here against Czech with those wages is kind of immposible. This CPT wage shown above is redicilous. That money Have FO in Europe for 65 hours flying. 3x lower cost for life there. Thats why we have already 6 cpt from Swoop or the other canadian airline in the Europe. I wish and hope for pilots wages increase here in Canada too.
Are you trolling? I really hope so. You being here is part of the problem.
Lol no it's not.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by munzil » Mon May 27, 2019 7:44 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 1:28 pm
Lukymayer wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 10:56 am
FICU wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:51 pm
Captain Hourly Rates
Step 1 - $103.57
Step 2 - $119.50
Step 3 - $131.46z
That is horrible wage. I am 737 FO from Czech Republic, time to time flying here in cooperation between my company and Sunwing, so I am curious about wage scale here in Canada. To be honest I was looking for to stay in Canada but compair living cost here against Czech with those wages is kind of immposible. This CPT wage shown above is redicilous. That money Have FO in Europe for 65 hours flying. 3x lower cost for life there. Thats why we have already 6 cpt from Swoop or the other canadian airline in the Europe. I wish and hope for pilots wages increase here in Canada too.
Are you trolling? I really hope so. You being here is part of the problem.
They also bring their own planes over and fill a seasonal need. Without this arrangement most of the Sunwing pilots would be laid of for half of the year.

You are nothing but a troll yourself. Know your facts before you open your mouth on something you know nothing about.
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by altiplano » Tue May 28, 2019 6:31 am

Of course it's a problem.

It lets a company circumvent our laws to run an unsustainable business model that skims the cherry seasonal flying to the detriment of the companies that only employ pilots with the right to work here, and somehow manage to do it year round.

This puts downward pressure on Canadian wages.
This results on lost opportunity for more Canadian pilots.
This results in lost taxation by our government.

All so the punters can save a fin on their all inclusive week at a 2½★ dump with watered down "rum" and a broken toilet...
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by munzil » Tue May 28, 2019 7:55 am

altiplano wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 6:31 am
Of course it's a problem.

It lets a company circumvent our laws to run an unsustainable business model that skims the cherry seasonal flying to the detriment of the companies that only employ pilots with the right to work here, and somehow manage to do it year round.

This puts downward pressure on Canadian wages.
This results on lost opportunity for more Canadian pilots.
This results in lost taxation by our government.

All so the punters can save a fin on their all inclusive week at a 2½★ dump with watered down "rum" and a broken toilet...
Sure that's what it is. Compared to every single other country that also brings in foreign pilots including Australia and New Zealand along with the US but still managed to pay double what Canada pays. Nothing to do with selling out your soul for a 17 year contract eh Altiplano?

Sounds like you figured it out in one there.

As to the 2.5 star dump, I'm writing this post from the Royalton owned by Sunwing. If this is what 2.5 star get you, works for me
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Re: Swoop pay

Post by ant_321 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:07 am

altiplano wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 6:31 am
Of course it's a problem.

It lets a company circumvent our laws to run an unsustainable business model that skims the cherry seasonal flying to the detriment of the companies that only employ pilots with the right to work here, and somehow manage to do it year round.

This puts downward pressure on Canadian wages.
This results on lost opportunity for more Canadian pilots.
This results in lost taxation by our government.

All so the punters can save a fin on their all inclusive week at a 2½★ dump with watered down "rum" and a broken toilet...
For the last few years the number of Canadians SWG has sent to Europe has far outweighed the number of Europeans coming to Canada. How exactly does that result in lost opportunity for Canadian pilots?
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