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Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by dhc# » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:46 am

If you had the choice, which of these two airlines would you choose to work for and why ?
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Blackdog0301 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:54 pm

Don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that unless you're French, the Transat guys treat you like garbage...

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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by TG » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:53 pm

Blackdog0301 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 1:54 pm
Don't know if it's true or not, but I've heard that unless you're French, the Transat guys treat you like garbage...

Go Sunwing
False, I highly doubt Transat would only hire French from France :mrgreen:

More seriously, it is total inflammatory urband legend garbage that if you don’t speak French you will /insert whatever negative variations of the legend/....

On a side note, Transat has been around since the 80’s. Can’t say the same about a lot of other low cost, charter companies.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Lt Colombo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:55 pm

I don't think the french language is a 100% barrier, I wish i could only say good stuff about Transat but has anyone tried to apply with names like Dimitri, Julio or Mustafa??
When you do please let me know how far your application goes.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

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#5 Unread post Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:55 pm

I don't think the french language is a 100% barrier, I wish i could only say good stuff about Transat but has anyone tried to apply with names like Dimitri, Julio or Mustafa?? 
When you do please let me know how far your application goes.


My actual name is Andrea. Im italian born and raised .
I look latino, i have an accent in all the 4 languages i speak, yet during the interview they were all extremely welcoming to me.
I m in the hiring pool for the first class after summer.

So no i presonally did not experience any resentment towards me for my name, look nor accent.

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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by TG » Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:07 am

Lt Colombo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:55 pm
I don't think the french language is a 100% barrier, I wish i could only say good stuff about Transat but has anyone tried to apply with names like Dimitri, Julio or Mustafa??
When you do please let me know how far your application goes.
So I assume you tried or know someone who did and got rebuff for some reason.
You blame it on racism without even thinking that it could be related to lack of flying experience, competences, attitude, etc...
Whatever your reason to write this, it is a pretty fallacious statement!
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Panama Jack » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:29 am

Apply for both and see what happens. IF you get two offers, I'd look at the career advancement, money, etc. after taking into consideration the vibe I got from the interview (how I was treated, what people said, how people behaved).

Consider that with Sunwing you will be probably flying a 737 for life. At Transat you will have a more interesting mix of types added to your licence, if that's your thing.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Air.Field » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:18 am

Any company have their pros and cons. A quick look at both:
As Panama stated, fleet wise, SW 37's, AT different types, but soon it'll be a common Airbus fleet.
SW upgrade in a year or less if you meet the mins. AT around 5 yrs.
Destinations, SW down south, Euro deployments. AT down south, regular Euro flts.
Crews seem happy at each place.
Pay for both is similar.
Really comes down to preference or who calls first.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Outlaw58 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:02 am

TG wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:07 am
Lt Colombo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:55 pm
I don't think the french language is a 100% barrier, I wish i could only say good stuff about Transat but has anyone tried to apply with names like Dimitri, Julio or Mustafa??
When you do please let me know how far your application goes.
So I assume you tried or know someone who did and got rebuff for some reason.
You blame it on racism without even thinking that it could be related to lack of flying experience, competences, attitude, etc...
Whatever your reason to write this, it is a pretty fallacious statement!
A woman claims that when she drives around, drivers are jerks to her and flipping her and stuff but when her husband gets behind the wheel, the hate stops and everyone is nice to him.

Conclusion: Drivers are sexist!

Ponder that for a second...

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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Spitfire0511 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:36 pm

I do speak French fluently even with some québécois accent ( I went to University in Quebec). I live in Quebec and my kids were born here as well and speak French as well. However I am not québécois, I don't have a French family name and I was born abroad (although I couldn't be prouder to be Canadian).
I did interview with Transat twice, let me just tell you this: the interview was extremely unprofessional and a complet lack of respect. After the first time I thought that the problem was me, after the second time I realized that doesn't matter what I said these guys would never hire me, I wonder why they called me then.
In both cases they never asked me any technical question or any situational question like " tell me about a time....". I do know of another guy with lots of experience with a similar background who is currently a 737NG Captain with the competition who went trough a similar situation with them.
On the other hand I did interview with Sunwing and honestly it was one of the most pleasant and professional interviews I ever had (and I have had many), they asked me lots of technical and situational questions and they did take the time to get to know me.
Maybe my case is an isolated one but since you guys touched the subject I wanted to share my experience.

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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Lt Colombo » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:22 pm

Hey Spitfire0511:

No your case isn't an isolated one i can assure you that i heard about 3 cases that went exactly with the same scenario, the why ? it's to make statistics look nice the politicaly correct stuff, i'm glad you made it to Sunwing.

TG:

I was an active union member for many years and took part of many interviews, i got my commercial license when probably most of the forum members were not even born believe me when i tell you that i don't say things lightly.

Andy_123:

I'm happy for you made it to the pool, i wish you a successful career.

I have nothing agaist Transat in fact i have good friends flying for them but something is up.

Take care guys.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by TG » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:25 pm

Outlaw58 wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:02 am
TG wrote:
Thu Jul 05, 2018 1:07 am
Lt Colombo wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 7:55 pm
I don't think the french language is a 100% barrier, I wish i could only say good stuff about Transat but has anyone tried to apply with names like Dimitri, Julio or Mustafa??
When you do please let me know how far your application goes.
So I assume you tried or know someone who did and got rebuff for some reason.
You blame it on racism without even thinking that it could be related to lack of flying experience, competences, attitude, etc...
Whatever your reason to write this, it is a pretty fallacious statement!
A woman claims that when she drives around, drivers are jerks to her and flipping her and stuff but when her husband gets behind the wheel, the hate stops and everyone is nice to him.

Conclusion: Drivers are sexist!

Ponder that for a second...

58
You are correct.

I am too.

Moral of the story no judgment can be given in this kind of situation unless one was present.


Given the choice I would go Transat's route. Looks better long term amongst other things. The only draw back is that you will most likely end up based in Toronto with them.
Sunwing? If they fold one day you have the best PPC/hours on type you can have to sell yourself overseas. B-737
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by DanWEC » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:09 am

Is there any attrition from Transat to AC?
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by iflyroads » Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:22 am

DanWEC wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:09 am
Is there any attrition from Transat to AC?
June GS had at least 1 candidate from Transat.

Few more are close in the hiring process.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by FL320 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:05 am

Few junior FOs left Transat for AC, some of them had less than a year in the company; some got a brand new PPC and left (nice!).
I would be surprised to see more senior FOs or Captains leaving for AC, I wouldn’t...I mean what is the point to go to AC for the salaries and conditions they offer at the moment? I have 2 close friends who recently resigned from AC, didn't even want to ask for LOA instead.
If I had to leave for greener pastures, I would certainly go overseas.

To answer the OP. Both Sunwing and Air Transat are great (I did both). The job on the narrow body during the winter is exactly the same. It's true that it will take longer to move to the left seat at Air Transat. To make you decision you should think about your preference: the widebody kind of flying (be away from home 4/5 days) or do 10 single days turns per month and be home almost every night. Airbus is A LOT more comfortable for the job than the B737NG.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Victory » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:20 am

Where did your friends that resigned from AC go?
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by dhc# » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:41 am

Which one would have the better or easier commute to get to work if you lived out west ?
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by FL320 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:22 am

Victory wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:20 am
Where did your friends that resigned from AC go?
One to Air France (1st year FO scale 100 000 euros on the lowcost division B737)...no brainer compared to AC I suppose, and the other went DEC at Easyjet.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by ant_321 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:13 am

dhc# wrote:
Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:41 am
Which one would have the better or easier commute to get to work if you lived out west ?
Sunwing has seasonal bases in the winter months out west. They vary year to year but last winter there was YVR, YYC and YWG. As far as the schedule for commuting, I'm not sure how Transat schedules look so I can't comment on which would be better. I personally think long term commuting at any airline isn't a very viable option. I've been doing probably the easiest commute in Canada, YYZ-YUL with flights every hour and the option of a 5 hour drive if things get dicey, for about 3 months and the amount of stress it puts on your life is more than I could have imagined. I have to start planning my commute back a couple days before, looking at flight loads and wx to see when I have to leave, add that to all the extra airport appreciation time and crash pad life and I'm not sure if I respect the people who commute for years on end or think they are foolish. Probably booth. I am very happy that my commuting life will be short lived, ill be back in YYZ in November. My advice as someone who packed up and moved when I really didnt want to is, do it. Either that or stay at a job that keeps you where you are living now.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:14 am

What is the first year salary at both? What about the salary after the upgrade?
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by duro195 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:04 pm

Since it's public information, I'd suggest any interested party to do a quick search on Negotech where you can find the whole WAWCON of both companies. It's much easier to compare two official agreements with cold hard facts and number when it comes to making such a decision for one's career!

Or click here: http://negotech.labour.gc.ca/cgi-bin/re ... ture=en-CA
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by FighterPilot » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:57 pm

Learn something new every day, I didn't know companies CBAs were public info. This site is kinda cool, been browsing companies actual pay rates for hours now.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Bae146 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:20 am

My experience during the hiring process at Transat has been excellent. When I went thru the hiring process I was still a Permanent Resident in the process of getting my citizenship. I felt the interview happened in a friendly, relax but professional atmosphere. I have a hard time believing what has been written above about not having behavior type questions.
One thing that I notice with Transat, your attitude is everything. Your logbook, as impressive as you think it is, will just get you thru the door in order to get the interview. Then it is your attitude that count. I know people that did not get hire, and blaming some racist issues. They walked in with a cocky attitude, having a couple thousand hours flying a dash-8 on the left seat, having failed a couple ppc and having an infraction from TC. But of course the reason they did not get hired was because of their nationality.
On my initial GS, one of the anglophone candidat had a very bad attitude, criticizing and bitching about the training. He failed his ride and kept arguing the compagnie tried to trick him because he was so good it could not have failed. He was paired with an another anglophone that passed and is happy flying with us since then.
Just for the past year I have been flying with a vaste majority of Anglophones and I can't recall any of them complaining about any bad treatment due to language issue.
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Re: Transat or Sunwing ?

Post by Spitfire0511 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:49 pm

Bae146 wrote:
Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:20 am
My experience during the hiring process at Transat has been excellent. When I went thru the hiring process I was still a Permanent Resident in the process of getting my citizenship. I felt the interview happened in a friendly, relax but professional atmosphere. I have a hard time believing what has been written above about not having behavior type questions.
One thing that I notice with Transat, your attitude is everything. Your logbook, as impressive as you think it is, will just get you thru the door in order to get the interview. Then it is your attitude that count. I know people that did not get hire, and blaming some racist issues. They walked in with a cocky attitude, having a couple thousand hours flying a dash-8 on the left seat, having failed a couple ppc and having an infraction from TC. But of course the reason they did not get hired was because of their nationality.
On my initial GS, one of the anglophone candidat had a very bad attitude, criticizing and bitching about the training. He failed his ride and kept arguing the compagnie tried to trick him because he was so good it could not have failed. He was paired with an another anglophone that passed and is happy flying with us since then.
Just for the past year I have been flying with a vaste majority of Anglophones and I can't recall any of them complaining about any bad treatment due to language issue.
Hi Bae

Are you from France?, I know there are several pilots from that country at AT. I don't believe that being an anglophone is an issue at Transat since I know several who went there and seems to be happy with their choice.
Regarding what I said above, I stand for my word but I won't spend much time trying to convince you I am telling the truth.
Btw I never had an infraction or failed a PPC in my life, in my work as in life I keep my head down, do my job, I treat everyone with respect and courtesy and go home with my family.
That's all I have to say, good luck!

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