• "VALID" Group 1 IFR rating ( inlusive of the IPC

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:51 pm**

I see and read some of these companies that operate the likes of the B1900 that ask for a Valid group 1 IFR rating, and I know there are rules of keeping the ifr valid through the IPC (instrument proficiency check) applies.

My question is , what if you get a job offer but haven't completed the IPC proficency check does it matter?

When the company hires you and send you for the PPC training that will validate the IPC ( instrument proficiency check) or do you need to do the IPC before getting hired?

Appreciate some comments and feedback.

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:18 pm**

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:42 pm**

A PPC does reset your clock, which is why you don’t see airline pilots kicking around in the redbird at your local flying school every few years doing an IPC.

The biggest reason why an employer wants you to have a valid and current IFR rating prior to employing you is pretty simple. They want to spend money on training a proficient IFR pilot how to fly their aircraft. They don’t want to spend extra on knocking the rust off of your IFR knowledge and approach flying abilities.

An IPC is for all intents and purposes a flight test. If an employer hires someone with a fresh IPC, it tells them that at the very least you should be somewhat close to TC standard, and therefore won’t take as much money and time to get to PPC standard on their aircraft.

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:47 pm**

LifeAt90Kts wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:42 pm A PPC does reset your clock, which is why you don’t see airline pilots kicking around in the redbird at your local flying school every few years doing an IPC.

The biggest reason why an employer wants you to have a valid and current IFR rating prior to employing you is pretty simple. They want to spend money on training a proficient IFR pilot how to fly their aircraft. They don’t want to spend extra on knocking the rust off of your IFR knowledge and approach flying abilities.

An IPC is for all intents and purposes a flight test. If an employer hires someone with a fresh IPC, it tells them that at the very least you should be somewhat close to TC standard, and therefore won’t take as much money and time to get to PPC standard on their aircraft.

So I will have a greater chance on landing the job with a fresh IPC.
Olay, thanks.

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:48 pm**

How far out of date are you? As in when was the last time you flew IFR?

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:47 pm**

If you will be doing a pcc ride instead of a ppc, as would be the case on a banana like Navajo and possibly a b1900 or king air, you would need a current IFR.

Posted: **Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:05 pm**

1900 is over 12500, pcc need not apply. dont know of any operators that run their K/A FO's with pcc's instead of ppc's. Employers look for someone smart rather then checking all the boxes, not waisting your money needlessly is smart. if you cant get a job in this industry now, its time to quit.

Posted: **Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:31 am**

leftoftrack wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:05 pm 1900 is over 12500, pcc need not apply. dont know of any operators that run their K/A FO's with pcc's instead of ppc's. Employers look for someone smart rather then checking all the boxes, not waisting your money needlessly is smart. if you cant get a job in this industry now, its time to quit.

So money wise, save it on the IPC as when they train you for the PPC on the 1900 the PPC will activate the IPC.

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:45 pm**

What approaches are needed now on the IPC?

ILS and GNSS approaches?

Thanks and what does the ride in the simulator look like these days?

Posted: **Tue Nov 07, 2023 5:00 pm**

ellinas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:45 pm What approaches are needed now on the IPC?

ILS and GNSS approaches?

Thanks and what does the ride in the simulator look like these days?

You need one traditional navaid approach and one GNSS. One of them has to be done without vertical guidance.

I did one an IPC a week ago, did a SID, then unusual attitudes, then an approach to a missed, hold for a bit, then one single engine approach to a full stop

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:22 pm**

LifeAt90Kts wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:42 pm A PPC does reset your clock, which is why you don’t see airline pilots kicking around in the redbird at your local flying school every few years doing an IPC.

The biggest reason why an employer wants you to have a valid and current IFR rating prior to employing you is pretty simple. They want to spend money on training a proficient IFR pilot how to fly their aircraft. They don’t want to spend extra on knocking the rust off of your IFR knowledge and approach flying abilities.

An IPC is for all intents and purposes a flight test. If an employer hires someone with a fresh IPC, it tells them that at the very least you should be somewhat close to TC standard, and therefore won’t take as much money and time to get to PPC standard on their aircraft.

I’m rusty I admit and presently doing the IPC training. I’m at 5 training sessions and my instructor ( excellent) told me at least one more to put it together.
I’m trying to get a feel what the average time it takes to get to flight test ready , I could use a bit more as the last thing I need is a job interview in a sim and look like a deer in headlights !
Fly safe

Posted: **Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:34 pm**

ellinas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2023 2:22 pm
LifeAt90Kts wrote: ↑Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:42 pm A PPC does reset your clock, which is why you don’t see airline pilots kicking around in the redbird at your local flying school every few years doing an IPC.

The biggest reason why an employer wants you to have a valid and current IFR rating prior to employing you is pretty simple. They want to spend money on training a proficient IFR pilot how to fly their aircraft. They don’t want to spend extra on knocking the rust off of your IFR knowledge and approach flying abilities.

An IPC is for all intents and purposes a flight test. If an employer hires someone with a fresh IPC, it tells them that at the very least you should be somewhat close to TC standard, and therefore won’t take as much money and time to get to PPC standard on their aircraft.
I’m rusty I admit and presently doing the IPC training. I’m at 5 training sessions and my instructor ( excellent) told me at least one more to put it together.
I’m trying to get a feel what the average time it takes to get to flight test ready , I could use a bit more as the last thing I need is a job interview in a sim and look like a deer in headlights !
Fly safe

Don't focus on the average time. Focus on being prepared and confident for your ride and interview/sim. Right now, treat this as an investment you are getting your skills polished and to standards. I redid my IPC after not flying IFR for 16 years and I can tell you right now that I learned more during the IPC training and assessment than I did on my initial MIFR. It helped tremendously both for my job interview a month later and PPC that followed.

As LifeAt90kts stated, employers will be teaching you to fly the aircraft they don't have time to polish up your IFR knowledge/skills. Take as much time you need.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm**

Quick question and direction, finished all my IPC training and next is the “flight test”. Just got hired by an operator flying twins and they’re going to be training me for the PPC on their aircraft (12.500 and under).
Should I spend the hundreds on getting the IPC at the school where I finished the IPC training?

Thoughts

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:19 am**

ellinas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm Quick question and direction, finished all my IPC training and next is the “flight test”. Just got hired by an operator flying twins and they’re going to be training me for the PPC on their aircraft (12.500 and under).
Should I spend the hundreds on getting the IPC at the school where I finished the IPC training?

Thoughts

Was having a valid IR a requirement in order to obtain the position?

TPC

Posted: **Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:30 pm**

TeePeeCreeper wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 1:19 am
ellinas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm Quick question and direction, finished all my IPC training and next is the “flight test”. Just got hired by an operator flying twins and they’re going to be training me for the PPC on their aircraft (12.500 and under).
Should I spend the hundreds on getting the IPC at the school where I finished the IPC training?

Thoughts
Was having a valid IR a requirement in order to obtain the position?

TPC

It didn’t say valid as long as you have one as they will train you. I guess I should ask, again I’ve completed the IPC training except the examiners stamp.

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2024 6:36 am**

ellinas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:21 pm Quick question and direction, finished all my IPC training and next is the “flight test”. Just got hired by an operator flying twins and they’re going to be training me for the PPC on their aircraft (12.500 and under).
Should I spend the hundreds on getting the IPC at the school where I finished the IPC training?

Thoughts

Why wouldn’t you ask your new employer that directly instead of asking random people on the internet that don’t have enough actual specific information on the requirements of your new job to answer?

Posted: **Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:07 am**

'valid' is pretty much meaningless these days since instrument ratings don't expire.

If they require you to be recent/current, they should specify those requirements.

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