Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by fruitloops » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:30 pm

I posted this a year or so ago on OTS thread

First Jan 2018 GS had the following composition roughly - I'm guessing the WJ,SW,TA components vary a little school to school but not much, the only larger employer missing was Cargojet
- 3 porter
- 1 corporate
- 5 Encore
- 1 WJ
- 15 Jazz
- 2 Air Transat
- 4 SKY
- 2 Sunwing
- 3 GGN
- 1 Morningstar
- 1 exMilitary
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by trey kule » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:10 pm

Why do people include per diems as part of their Salary?

They are employer reimbursement for unspecified,work related,out of pocket expenses.
And CRA does not consider them salary. Check yout T4s.

The sense I get it is similar to asking someone the temperature and they include the wind chill .sounds more impressive than it is.

As far as overseas work, keep in mind tax rates. During my time overseas, my pay had a total of 17% in deductions, including full medical, insurance, pension savings,and taxes...less than half of what a Canadian pilot at the top end gets hit with, and equates to tens of thousands a year more in the bank. As well as subsidized housing, private world class schools for the kids, longer holidays.

Canadian pilots do not get top wages except at the very upper end of the pay senority list and a huge chunk of that is taxed at 43% or so.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by shimmydampner » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:29 am

trey kule wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:10 pm
The sense I get it is similar to asking someone the temperature and they include the wind chill .sounds more impressive than it is.
Or, because it reflects an increased rate of heat loss, it gives you a more accurate description of just how much being in the elements is going to suck.

I don't think people include per diems as salary. It is however an important part of the compensation package and some companies do it better than others. Nothing wrong with it being a consideration when it comes to employment opportunities.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by munzil » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:18 pm

shimmydampner wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:29 am
trey kule wrote:
Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:10 pm
The sense I get it is similar to asking someone the temperature and they include the wind chill .sounds more impressive than it is.
Or, because it reflects an increased rate of heat loss, it gives you a more accurate description of just how much being in the elements is going to suck.

I don't think people include per diems as salary. It is however an important part of the compensation package and some companies do it better than others. Nothing wrong with it being a consideration when it comes to employment opportunities.
Exactly. If you get $50k in per diems a year compared to $3k tax Free, it most certainly makes a difference.

Just as if overtime is readily available or only goes to the top guys. It all has a hand to play in what makes a company
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by TSAM » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:43 pm

I use to want to work at big red. Was even a Capt at an express carrier. With over 6k TT but no diploma/degree, I wasn't given a chance beyond the silly video interview. Passed over by guys/gals with barely and ATPL but with "education". So, I went to Transat, and I couldn't have been happier. They're a great company and great crews to work with. I know many at AC and I work a lot less, so at the end of the day/year, I'm making more and being home more. Sunwing would similar according to friends there. Both SW and TS are the best kept secrets in Canada.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by nightbird » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:46 pm

Until the next recession....
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by C-GGGQ » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:57 pm

I mean I understand the thought is Air Canada isn't going anywhere no matter how bad it gets, but Both Sunwing and even more so Transat have been around for a while now. I don't believe they are all THAT vulnerable anymore. I mean Sunwing is turning 14 and Transat is literally 2 months younger than me. 32 years isn't anything to sneeze at.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm

Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by Alcoholism » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm
Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
I was johnnynotsohotrocks
nightbird wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:46 pm
Until the next recession....
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by Tail-Chaser » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 am

Alcoholism wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm
Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
I was johnnynotsohotrocks
nightbird wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:46 pm
Until the next recession....
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by dumbbell daddy » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:38 am

TSAM wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:43 pm
Both SW and TS are the best kept secrets in Canada.
+1
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by iflyforpie » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:24 am

Tail-Chaser wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 am
Alcoholism wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:08 pm
Lots of you were not in the industry prior to 9-11 were you?
I was johnnynotsohotrocks
nightbird wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:46 pm
Until the next recession....
Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?
I wonder if that’s what the low seniority guys who were laid off from Air Canada were saying? “Gee honey, I’ve been laid off, but my company has been around since 1930!”

Meanwhile the guys who lost their jobs at C3, Jetsgo, Skyservice, etc went to Westjet when times were good or went overseas and lived happily ever after.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by Tail-Chaser » Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:18 pm

iflyforpie wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:24 am
Tail-Chaser wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 am
Alcoholism wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:26 pm


I was johnnynotsohotrocks



Yes how many times has the current airlines in Canada declared or about to declare bankruptcy in the past say 20 years? AC 2, everyone else 0. Until the next recession loser
How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?
I wonder if that’s what the low seniority guys who were laid off from Air Canada were saying? “Gee honey, I’ve been laid off, but my company has been around since 1930!”

Meanwhile the guys who lost their jobs at C3, Jetsgo, Skyservice, etc went to Westjet when times were good or went overseas and lived happily ever after.
That's kinda my point. I don't think it a was a good argument to say "Westjet, SW, or AT have never declared bankruptcy so they're better options" or something like that when tons of Airlines went under in the 2000s. The current ones might not have, but that doesn't mean they're immune.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by goldeneagle » Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:49 am

Tail-Chaser wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:13 am
How many Canadian airlines started between 1930 and now are still around?
None. Altho the name 'Air Canada' is still painted on the sides of the airplanes, the company has been thru numerous corporate changes and restructures over time, including a bankruptcy that sent the old company down the tubes and spawned a new one that continues to paint 'Air Canada' on the side of the airplanes, but is in fact a completely different corporate entity vs the original Air Canada. That way it works, during liquidation the receiver will sell all of the assets with value, and one of the value assets in this case is the name, and the new corp rising out of the ashes purchases the name and the airplanes that already have that name painted on the side. But the same entity it is not, and never will be again. The Air Canada of the 30's is long gone.
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Re: Why does everyone want to work at Air Canada?

Post by C.W.E. » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:31 pm

The Air Canada of the 30's is long gone.
In the thirties it was called Trans Canada Airlines the name change to Air Canada did not come until 1964.
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