Northstar / Cargo North

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Northstar / Cargo North

Post by foxhoundbat » Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:20 am

Hi !

I was looking to apply for BT-67 F/O position at Northstar and was wondering if any insights were available on how to apply, the company and job role?

A quick search of the forum did not yield much!

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by spinnindeep » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:46 am

Hey

best way to apply is to send your resume in to their website. You'll spend anywhere between 6-10 months on the ground as ground crew loading planes and taking care of the base. F/O's do get a 2 week on-2 week off rotation, however you will be based in YPL. Warning: You won't want to spend your 2 weeks off in pickle all the time, and the company doesn't provide transportation in/out for rotations. Basically everything is on your own dime and can get really expensive.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by pecessix » Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:51 pm

Hi,
Any idea of the salaries on the BT67, for Captains and F/O?
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by shimmydampner » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:53 pm

spinnindeep wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:46 am
F/O's do get a 2 week on-2 week off rotation, however....
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the company doesn't provide transportation in/out for rotations. Basically everything is on your own dime and can get really expensive.
Sooo, not really a rotation at all. Just a job in Pickle Lake with all your days off at once. What a joke. Why would anyone sign up for this?
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by spinnindeep » Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:38 am

People who really want to fly the DC-3 I guess :prayer:

the whole company isn't like that, PC-12 guys are assigned in Thunder bay, so it's not that bad to get home.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by shimmydampner » Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:18 pm

spinnindeep wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:38 am
People who really want to fly the DC-3 I guess :prayer:
Yeah well, Borek has them, pays for rotations and does way more interesting stuff.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:19 pm

I posted this some time ago in another thread regarding NSA:
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Sun Feb 24, 2019 1:04 pm

PC12 FO:
$35K a year to start, ZERO per diems while on rotation unless you overnight away from base ($60/night I think), you live in CYQT or CYXL out of your own pocket on that crap salary, fly 60-80 hours every rotation.
PC12 Captain: Same as above except $60K to start.

Basler BT67s are only based out of CYPL if you don't mind living in a small town which is mostly crappy if you don't have the guys around you to spend time with.
BT67 FO: $40K to start, ZERO per diems while of rotation unless you overnight away from base ($60/night again I think), you live in CYPL out of your own pocket again, fly 40-60 hours each rotation.
BT67 Captain: $100K to start but you need 3000 hrs for that upgrade.

ATR72 figures are more or less the same as BT67 but they're based out of CYTH and I believe one in CYPL now.

They don't have C208s anymore.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:27 pm

spinnindeep wrote:
Thu Mar 28, 2019 11:38 am
the whole company isn't like that, PC-12 guys are assigned in Thunder bay, so it's not that bad to get home.
Of course it is! Imagine paying ~$400-500 on your flight tickets every 2 weeks for your time off on top of the rent/expenses to live in CYQT or CYXL. NSA is inarguably one of the worst paying jobs out there!

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:06 am

100 grand for 704/705 captains, 2 weeks on/2 weeks off is pretty good.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:02 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 6:06 am
100 grand for 704/705 captains, 2 weeks on/2 weeks off is pretty good.
So 15 people in the company make a decent living :lol:

Let's factor in the ~8-10K lbs of cargo on the Basler, and ~15-18K lbs on the ATR that has to be offloaded 3-4 times everyday (lots of breaking individual skids and hand-bombing involved since many of the communities don't have loaders/bobcats/forklifts). Severely underpaid for the amount/nature of work, if you ask me. Let's not even begin to discuss FO salary here :rolleyes:

Pretty good indeed! :prayer:

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:08 am

Oh the FO pay is horrible, no disagreement there.

The loading/unloading should also be done entirely by ground staff or load masters, but that's a different discussion.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by TheRealMcCoy » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:22 am

MrAviator19 wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:02 am
So 15 people in the company make a decent living :lol:

Let's factor in the ~8-10K lbs of cargo on the Basler, and ~15-18K lbs on the ATR that has to be offloaded 3-4 times everyday (lots of breaking individual skids and hand-bombing involved since many of the communities don't have loaders/bobcats/forklifts). Severely underpaid for the amount/nature of work, if you ask me. Let's not even begin to discuss FO salary here :rolleyes:

Pretty good indeed! :prayer:

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by shimmydampner » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:25 pm

If that's what you're into, fair enough. I doubt very much however, that anyone would happily do that manual labour for the same or less compensation than someone who does the same flying and does not have to do additional manual labor and does not have to pay for their own rotational travel. That's some grade A bullshit if you ask me. You could sit right seat in an ATR for First Air in YFB, never touch freight, make more money, get airline passes and have all your rotational travel paid for. Or sit right seat in a Basler for Borek, do the hard work you crave, do more interesting flying, probably make more money and also have your work travel paid for.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by mbav8r » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:25 pm

WTF, or how about you live in pickle lake and the job you have gives you an amazing schedule for travel, should you wish.
How many pilots on here moved and lived in YTH for a flying job, not much better than YPL but I don’t recall anyone there talking about “how it sucks they don’t pay for my travel on my days off”. This entitlement era we’ve entered is too much some days.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by shimmydampner » Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:44 pm

Really? It's entitlement to think that a travel to and from work specifically for a rotational job should be covered by the employer? I don't think so but just to be clear, you would accept those terms? Just how bad is your case if Stockholm syndrome? What's next? You have to rent your own accommodations on rotation and pay for all your living expenses too? I think that it's industry standard to have your travel to and from your rotational base covered.
And for what is worth, I've lived in both YPL and YTH and the former is far, far worse than the latter in my opinion.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by mbav8r » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:23 pm

First off, no I wouldn’t accept the job but perhaps if I was first starting out I would consider it.
Next, the “rotational” description is from the poster above, it is not mentioned in their job postings, in fact it says they will allow 30 days of housing to transfer into their network, after listing all the bases they have. They expect you to live there, if you want to travel during your off time, fill your boots.
Some jobs allow you to commute, they don’t provide you your travel, I would suggest the ones that do have trouble filling the positions, that’s just a guess though.
I would look at it differently if the job was YQT with a rotation at YPL in the job description, not the case here
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:25 am

The industry norm for YPL is rotations from YQT. I understand Basler captains get confirmed travel anywhere in Canada when off rotation. This discussion is about NSA FOs getting particularly screwed.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by mbav8r » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:04 am

No one is getting “screwed”, they are not forced to accept the job, honestly does anyone accept responsibility for their choices anymore.
The Captains are getting paid travel because those positions would otherwise go unfilled, if the FO positions remained unfilled, guess what, they would likely get travel benefits as well.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:54 am

shimmydampner wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:44 pm
What's next? You have to rent your own accommodations on rotation and pay for all your living expenses too?
Umm, NSA pilots are already doing that! :lol:

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First off, no I wouldn’t accept the job but perhaps if I was first starting out I would consider it.
Next, the “rotational” description is from the poster above, it is not mentioned in their job postings, in fact it says they will allow 30 days of housing to transfer into their network, after listing all the bases they have. They expect you to live there, if you want to travel during your off time, fill your boots.
Some jobs allow you to commute, they don’t provide you your travel, I would suggest the ones that do have trouble filling the positions, that’s just a guess though.
I would look at it differently if the job was YQT with a rotation at YPL in the job description, not the case here
It is a rotational gig - 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. They will tell you that when you interview with them. Why they don't have it listed under their job description is beyond me since that's the only thing that'll make people even consider living in a place like CYPL! However, the company has no "commuting" policy i.e. no paid travel/accommodation, because it "feels" that CYPL and CYTH are accessible (which they are) and "livable" (which they aren't, at least not for me long term).

The 30 days of "housing" you speak of, well it's a crew house that you share with 2-3 other people. Sometimes the PC12 crews from CYQT laying over in CYPL will move in as well. The place is run down and down right filthy (individual standards of cleanliness I guess, I hold mine high). There's a nice apartment building on the main street run by a nice old guy but like I said, you pay your own rent. Expenses, even in CYPL, add up on a shitty FO salary. :!:

The companies that do offer paid travel/accommodation don't do it because they're having trouble filling up the positions. It's because they recognize the work-life balance that appeals to potential employees and keeps them in the company for some time once hired. NSA has absolutely no regard for that as according to them, you pay for your own travel or else life in CYPL & CYTH is great! I can name at least 3 guys that have left NSA in the last 10 months.

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:02 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:25 am
The industry norm for YPL is rotations from YQT. I understand Basler captains get confirmed travel anywhere in Canada when off rotation. This discussion is about NSA FOs getting particularly screwed.
As far as I know, only the Basler Captains (and maybe ATR?) have that luxury. What is the company trying to say about other pilots? Talk about discrimination in the workplace. But that's just my opinion, perhaps because I've seen companies that don't screw you over like this! :o

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by mbav8r » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am

MrAviator19 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:02 am
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The industry norm for YPL is rotations from YQT. I understand Basler captains get confirmed travel anywhere in Canada when off rotation. This discussion is about NSA FOs getting particularly screwed.
As far as I know, only the Basler Captains (and maybe ATR?) have that luxury. What is the company trying to say about other pilots? Talk about discrimination in the workplace. But that's just my opinion, perhaps because I've seen companies that don't screw you over like this! :o

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Once again, nobody is being screwed, they are essentially screwing themselves by accepting the conditions if they could do better elsewhere.
The companies that do offer paid travel/accommodation don't do it because they're having trouble filling up the positions. It's because they recognize the work-life balance that appeals to potential employees and keeps them in the company for some time once hired.
This is one of the funniest statements I’ve ever read on avcanada, if you think any airline in Canada gives one iota of a damn about your work life balance, well what can I say, hope you don’t get a random drug test in your future:) if a company is giving you anything in the way of compensation, whether it’s your salary or travel paid, it’s because they feel they have too, not because they want to. Maybe these particular companies have realized it’s cheaper to keep them around longer, but not a chance in hell it’s because they care about your work life balance.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by MrAviator19 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:57 pm

mbav8r wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:45 am
This is one of the funniest statements I’ve ever read on avcanada, if you think any airline in Canada gives one iota of a damn about your work life balance, well what can I say, hope you don’t get a random drug test in your future:) if a company is giving you anything in the way of compensation, whether it’s your salary or travel paid, it’s because they feel they have too, not because they want to. Maybe these particular companies have realized it’s cheaper to keep them around longer, but not a chance in hell it’s because they care about your work life balance.
I don't need to know if they care about my work-life balance or not. A rotational schedule with paid travel/accommodation is the best way any company can pretend to tell me that they "care" about my work-life balance. But if living in a crap town like CYPL on your time off or spending out of your own pocket to commute is your thing, hey all power to you.

Don't worry about my "random future drug test", I'll do just fine. :)
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by Dry Guy » Mon May 06, 2019 2:19 pm

Are they getting out of the fuel transport business? I see they are selling their aircraft fuel tanks.
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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by Maynard » Sat May 11, 2019 5:29 pm

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Re: Northstar / Cargo North

Post by ehv8oar » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:06 pm

Do NS have any flight benefits with other airlines? So that if you're on rotation on the PC-12 in YQT you could get standby tickets.
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