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SIMAir

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm
by W5
Who or what is SIMAir?
I am seeing jobs for a whole 705 management team. Saab 340 and it seems Winnipeg.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:45 pm
by Yycjetdriver
W5 wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 5:28 pm
Who or what is SIMAir?
I am seeing jobs for a whole 705 management team. Saab 340 and it seems Winnipeg.
Rumour around is yet another start up by WestJet. Similar to swoop, except Winnipeg headquartered. Will be their Eastern Pasco and possibly a tool to strong arm negotiate lower costs with Pasco. Also will be a driving tool to keep Encore pay terrible and possibly worse in the future. “Westjet SIM” acronym for Suck It Monkeys.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2019 6:45 pm
by Liftdump
SIM AIR DOW NAH!

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:34 am
by digits_
Where do you see those job ads?

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:30 am
by Liftdump
Aviation job ads(free)

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:51 pm
by digits_
Oops. Obvious.

30 hangar line road, isn't that the kelly western building? Did it get sold?

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:12 pm
by Diadem
A search for the contact person, Bob Backhouse, shows that he's the DFO for West Wind. There was an article from December saying that they're trying to expand into neighbouring provinces, but I don't know why they wouldn't do it under their own name, or using aircraft that they already operate. Link 2.0 with Transwest aircraft run by West Wind management? No way I would get on one of those flights.
Edit: Actually, it looks like he's now the VP Ops at Pascan. The former DFO from West Wind still isn't a great credential.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:06 pm
by goingnowherefast
Interesting that they're looking for a management team, but no mention of what they're doing? There's a lot of personal risk jumping onto a random start-up that nobody knows anything about. No business model, no known customers, do they even actually have the airplanes and how many? They can take that risk if they're going to hide everything. Pay me a million bucks up front and I'll be your chief pilot for the next 5 years. Bonuses if the fleet grows to larger than 3. Company collapses, well darn, I've got financial security for a while still. Company does well, great, I've got my job security for 5 years, and possibly longer.

Even Jetlines was forthcoming with "we're starting a ULCC!"

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:11 pm
by PT6A
I'm not sure if this is related or not but Kelly Western was recently purchased from a rather large US company.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:34 pm
by digits_
PT6A wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:11 pm
I'm not sure if this is related or not but Kelly Western was recently purchased from a rather large US company.
By which company?

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sun May 05, 2019 12:52 pm
by igorcanuck
A manager I'm working with here in YWG, is leaving the company to join this new SimAir.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:49 pm
by digits_
They put a small sign up at the old kelly western building. Any updates on what they are doing?

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:07 am
by 703doge
Just saw a Pacific Coastal Saab land in YWG..

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:45 am
by CXALE
703doge wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:07 am
Just saw a Pacific Coastal Saab land in YWG..
Fuel stop, plane going to Maine for maintenance.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:10 pm
by goingnowherefast
They posted a job ad for Saab 340 crews, but still no idea what they're doing! I wonder what the "good opportunity for advancement" is for the captains.

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Re: SIMAir

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:15 pm
by flyingvinnie
goingnowherefast wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:10 pm
They posted a job ad for Saab 340 crews, but still no idea what they're doing! I wonder what the "good opportunity for advancement" is for the captains.

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Line indoc Pilot, sim instructor, move in to management position, not too difficult to think of advancement opportunities!

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:27 am
by co-joe
That sounds exactly like Link 2.0

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:22 am
by 77W
Just wondering how much they pay for captain? Lots of twin turbine 705 captains in YWG but they're all making well over 6 figures, and not going to gamble on a start up unless there's a dump truck of cash offered.

"Pay is commensurate of experience" isn't going to work. :rolleyes:

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:40 pm
by contactapproved
77W wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:22 am
Just wondering how much they pay for captain? Lots of twin turbine 705 captains in YWG but they're all making well over 6 figures, and not going to gamble on a start up unless there's a dump truck of cash offered.

"Pay is commensurate of experience" isn't going to work. :rolleyes:
Agreed, a lot of 703 captains that are also well into the 6 figures that were maybe waiting to see what these guys had to offer. Job ad and company info is way to vague to leave 100-150k per year... I recall seeing a Westwind ATR job ad out of winnipeg about a year ago that never seemed to amount to anything being based in YWG. My guess is something went sideways and one of the managers at Westwind decided to start his own operation.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:44 pm
by goingnowherefast
Interesting theory, but I question the use of a Saab. Not exactly the best aircraft.

If you need cheap, you can get an old Dash 8-100 for not a ton and it can carry more passengers.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:23 pm
by 77W
contactapproved wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:40 pm
77W wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:22 am
Just wondering how much they pay for captain? Lots of twin turbine 705 captains in YWG but they're all making well over 6 figures, and not going to gamble on a start up unless there's a dump truck of cash offered.

"Pay is commensurate of experience" isn't going to work. :rolleyes:
Agreed, a lot of 703 captains that are also well into the 6 figures that were maybe waiting to see what these guys had to offer. Job ad and company info is way to vague to leave 100-150k per year... I recall seeing a Westwind ATR job ad out of winnipeg about a year ago that never seemed to amount to anything being based in YWG. My guess is something went sideways and one of the managers at Westwind decided to start his own operation.
My guess would be that no one with the right experience would be applying to a sinking ship that just recently had an accident and lost most of their contracts.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:44 pm
by GoinVertical
goingnowherefast wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:44 pm
Interesting theory, but I question the use of a Saab. Not exactly the best aircraft.

If you need cheap, you can get an old Dash 8-100 for not a ton and it can carry more passengers.
I think, from what I've heard, the Saab is still cheaper to operate and has a lower break even factor than the DH8A. It would be interesting to see some numbers on this, but obviously if companies are still operating them there is a reason for it.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:51 am
by flyinhigh
Backhouse has been around for quite sometime and has been part of operations involving the Saab, ATR and Dash’s.

For the operation he’s starting, I can guarantee he’s looked at the numbers and knows that the Saab is the best fit for whatever he’s doing.

For a startup to he Saab certainly has the lowest cost, however once developed you may see a change to a larger AC once capital is built, or an expansion to more Saab’s.

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:43 am
by digits_
Looks like they covered up their sign at the hangar. Did they go bust already? :rolleyes:

Re: SIMAir

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:01 pm
by WestTexasDeathPencil
digits_ wrote:
Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:43 am
Looks like they covered up their sign at the hangar. Did they go bust already? :rolleyes:
They now have an ex-PenAir 340 parked at the YXE Aerocentre. Supposedly they're looking into buying the Transwest hangar in YXE as well.