Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by smooth » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:53 pm

Went to a private flight training school and got my instructor rating. Did it for couple month and went up north in Ontario for a PC12 job. And applied for regional after, i did have someone i know in both companies encore and porter.
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I applied Porter and Encore and Jazz right at 1000 hours, i got offer for Encore and Porter. Never got a answer from Jazz, i've heard Jazz is looking for more multi engine which i didn't have.
Hi Smooth,

Thanks for the information. Can you give a bit of colour regarding how you built those hours and your background (aviation college/university)? Also did you have any internal recommendations or was it a full OTS/blind application to the HR Team.

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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:00 am

The real problem is, as so many have stated before, that at the 705 level seniority is life. Low timers would be dumb not to jump ship (especially if at one of the many dead end 703 jobs) to get that seniority number as early as possible.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by Outlaw58 » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am

C-GGGQ wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:00 am
The real problem is, as so many have stated before, that at the 705 level seniority is life. Low timers would be dumb not to jump ship (especially if at one of the many dead end 703 jobs) to get that seniority number as early as possible.
And THAT is the #1 problem with aviation today.

That seniority system made a lot of sense when no one could dream of a seat in a 705 operation before they logged multiple thousands of hours in varied type of operations.

Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by igorcanuck » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm

It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by mixturerich » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:23 pm

igorcanuck wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm
It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
Way over qualified.





I’m being sarcastic.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by digits_ » Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am

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Ok Vermont... you are so out to lunch it's not even funny... I'm calling out low time pilots who can't honour a measly 1 or 2 year bond... but they sure were pumped to get in that plane and start logging hours they don't have to pay for anymore a few months earlier weren't they?Just a tip... finish your PPL before you start blabbering on here... you don't know sh!t mate... a PPL calling out commercial aviation in Canada? 😂😂 I am in full agreeance that Poop's 737 captain wage is garbage. But that had nothing to do with my statement you quoted. Piss off with YOUR know nothing attitude
What do you mean, they don't honour the bond? Do they not pay the agreed upon amount? If they sign a 2 year bond, leave after 6 month and pay out the agreed upon amount, they are honouring the bond. The advantage of a bond, from a pilot's perspective, is that you can leave without any guilt and your employer shouldn't be pissed off about it.

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Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am

Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

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That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by ehv8oar » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:31 am

That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
This is true, I've got a friend training for an airline in Germany right now, his time is about 300. He's an intelligent, capable guy and I'm sure will have no problem in the aircraft.

The big argument for me is could such a relatively inexperienced guy take over if the Captain bit the dust after takeoff. To be honest though what's harder, landing a highly automated, well maintained, A320 or a metroliner with no autopilot.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by digits_ » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:55 am

ehv8oar wrote:
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The big argument for me is could such a relatively inexperienced guy take over if the Captain bit the dust after takeoff. To be honest though what's harder, landing a highly automated, well maintained, A320 or a metroliner with no autopilot.
Of course he could.

EASA is, as far as I know, the only licensing authority that makes 3 (5?) landings in the actual airplane a requirement for a typerating. So yes, I have no doubt that a 300 hour pilot on his first non-training day could land the plane by himself if the captain died. It's not that hard. They've been trained thoroughly.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by digits_ » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:11 pm

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I'm more referring to the 1 year bonds... pilots jumping ship at 6-9 months and bailing on the bond cuz they know company won'tgo after them for a few thousand in court. Seen it happen many times over... Even if you leave after 3 months and pay the remaining 9 months, it's still a big wtf to the employer... 704/705 operators aren't FTUs... put in that year on the line and get a solid reference for crying out loud... what's a year?
Depends on how the job was advertised as well. If the operator misrepresents the job, which used to be fairly common in certain medevac ops, I don't blame people for leaving.

A bond usually has a reason. That reason is seldom advertised. Great companies don't need bonds.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by Outlaw58 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pm

digits_ wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am
Outlaw58 wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am

Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

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That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
To me, it's like playing Jenga.

"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.

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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by digits_ » Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:55 pm

Outlaw58 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pm
digits_ wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am
Outlaw58 wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:12 am

Non-705 operations NEED pilots, pilots NEED pre-705 experience and 705 operations NEED pilots with pre-705 experience. Until something is done about the current seniority system that problem won't go away, that is unless legislators force the issue which in turn probably won't happen until the next major air disaster.

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That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
To me, it's like playing Jenga.

"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.

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Except you have been playing jenga for 35 years and the tower is still standing.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by mixturerich » Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:51 pm

Those having trouble getting a job in the industry right now should probably try getting a personality first. Pairs well with an attitude adjustment, too.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by shawnthesheep » Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm

igorcanuck wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm
It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
OOF, That much time and no call?
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by igorcanuck » Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm

shawnthesheep wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm
igorcanuck wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm
It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
OOF, That much time and no call?
Yep. I always hear they don't have FO's with enough experience to be promoted so I think it would be worth a try, just give me a SIM eval to see how it goes. But anyway, it is what it is. I can't sit and cry. Going for 703 and will try again in 1 year.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by Outlaw58 » Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:31 pm

digits_ wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:55 pm
Outlaw58 wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:33 pm
digits_ wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:27 am


That's where you are wrong. Europe, with a variety of airlines and a good safety record, proves that this is not a requirement. Well selected 250 hour pilots are perfectly capable of learning how to safely fly a B737 or A320.
To me, it's like playing Jenga.

"Look!! I keep removing blocks and the tower is not falling". That's what I'm hearing you say.

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Except you have been playing jenga for 35 years and the tower is still standing.
How long you play is irrelevant, all Jenga games end the same way.

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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by ehv8oar » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:50 am

Depends on how the job was advertised as well. If the operator misrepresents the job, which used to be fairly common in certain medevac ops, I don't blame people for leaving.

A bond usually has a reason. That reason is seldom advertised. Great companies don't need bonds.
Exactly correct. Funny how they never mention there's a 99% chance we'll load you up so everyday is a 14 hour day.
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by shawnthesheep » Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:38 pm

igorcanuck wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 4:23 pm
shawnthesheep wrote:
Sun Aug 25, 2019 3:16 pm
igorcanuck wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:50 pm
It's not just hours. I have +5000TT, ATPL, 3700 ATR, 2000 PIC, aviation university BUT last flight in 2016. No referral as well. Applied for both Jazz and Encore and haven't received a call. Looking for 703 jobs now to be current again and apply after 1 year.
OOF, That much time and no call?
Yep. I always hear they don't have FO's with enough experience to be promoted so I think it would be worth a try, just give me a SIM eval to see how it goes. But anyway, it is what it is. I can't sit and cry. Going for 703 and will try again in 1 year.
If you don't mind..,

Why did you stop flying for 3 years?
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Re: Realistic TT for Jazz or Encore?

Post by ayseven » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:28 am

I dunno: food?

I don't have quite his numbers, but I am in the same boat: no calls, MSc (unrelated to aviation), ran a successful business for almost 20 years.

People don't want old.
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