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Swoop ?

Post by rigpiggy » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:27 pm

I applied via emailed CV, no response(just a "we got it"
is good")should i follow up with the online application ?
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by simplicity » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm

You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by co-joe » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:31 pm

From what I've been told, if you applied to Swoop and it's been 3 days and they haven't called you, something went wrong with your application.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by simplicity » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:37 pm

co-joe wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:31 pm
From what I've been told, if you applied to Swoop and it's been 3 days and they haven't called you, something went wrong with your application.
:lol:
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm

simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
Yes go work at AC and be the lowest paid 777 FO on the planet!
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by simplicity » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:35 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm
simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
Yes go work at AC and be the lowest paid 777 FO on the planet!
Sorry how much do 737 Captains make at Swoop again?

Everyone is always so quick to blame AC for their pay. I blame the Westjet, Swoops and Air Transats of Canada.

Hard to bargain raises when your only competition pays poverty wages.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by C.W.E. » Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:51 pm

It is called supply and demand.

Obviously someone is willing to work for what they pay so the problem lies with pilots not companies.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:15 pm

And just lower the requirements
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:58 pm

simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:35 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm
simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
Yes go work at AC and be the lowest paid 777 FO on the planet!
Sorry how much do 737 Captains make at Swoop again?

Everyone is always so quick to blame AC for their pay. I blame the Westjet, Swoops and Air Transats of Canada.

Hard to bargain raises when your only competition pays poverty wages.
More than enough blame to go around. As long as the regs allow a 250hr pilot in the right seat, there will never be a supply shortage which means wages will never substantially increase. Look at what the 1500hr rule did to wages down south. It is incredible!
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by simplicity » Mon Dec 02, 2019 9:00 pm

JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:58 pm
simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:35 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm


Yes go work at AC and be the lowest paid 777 FO on the planet!
Sorry how much do 737 Captains make at Swoop again?

Everyone is always so quick to blame AC for their pay. I blame the Westjet, Swoops and Air Transats of Canada.

Hard to bargain raises when your only competition pays poverty wages.
More than enough blame to go around. As long as the regs allow a 250hr pilot in the right seat, there will never be a supply shortage which means wages will never substantially increase. Look at what the 1500hr rule did to wages down south. It is incredible!
That's the big one. I'm surprised no one in the USA has made noise about Canadians flying American passengers from US airports with no atpl or 500 hours etc.

If Jazz ALPA wanted to do something about it all they would need to do is go to their ALPA counter parts in the USA and try to have those airlines lobby the US government. I'm amazed this hasn't happened yet.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:10 am

I would have thought after SFO that the FAA would have started a push to line up our duty regs and experience rules with theirs. I guess until the planes actually collide nothing will be done.
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Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:55 pm

You're right. Nearly killing people isn't enough. They have to actually be dead before lawmakers care. It's a broken system.

Nearly kill 1000 and some relatively minor changes. Actually kill 346 and you ground a whole fleet type for 9 months and counting plus aircraft certification procedures change.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Zaibatsu » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:14 pm

simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:35 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm
simplicity wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:49 pm
You're not going to get any love here. Go get a job at an airline that isn't degrading our industry.
Yes go work at AC and be the lowest paid 777 FO on the planet!
Sorry how much do 737 Captains make at Swoop again?

Everyone is always so quick to blame AC for their pay. I blame the Westjet, Swoops and Air Transats of Canada.

Hard to bargain raises when your only competition pays poverty wages.
What does a captain at Sky Regional make? Why isn’t there a scope clause to get rid of their ERJs? Don’t make this a Westjet/Swoop problem when it’s systemic within the industry.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:51 pm

Your comparing a regional E175 to a 737-800?

It's about half the size.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Minimums » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:20 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:51 pm
Your comparing a regional E175 to a 737-800?

It's about half the size.
Are they that much different to fly? Nope. Numbers are different, controls and handling awful similar. Its an airplane, not the space shuttle.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:44 pm

By that logic A380 pilots should make the same as a CRJ100. Hell, the guy doing minow trapping in a supercub, $2500/month plus room and board. They're all airplanes, not rocket ships.

The bigger the plane, the bigger the paycheck. Similar sized planes doing similar work should pay the same. Swoop 737 doing domestic and trans border flying should pay the same as WJ 737 doing domestic and trans border flying that should pay the same as AC A320 doing domestic and trans border flying. You get the point.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Minimums » Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:29 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:44 pm
By that logic A380 pilots should make the same as a CRJ100. Hell, the guy doing minow trapping in a supercub, $2500/month plus room and board. They're all airplanes, not rocket ships.

The bigger the plane, the bigger the paycheck. Similar sized planes doing similar work should pay the same. Swoop 737 doing domestic and trans border flying should pay the same as WJ 737 doing domestic and trans border flying that should pay the same as AC A320 doing domestic and trans border flying. You get the point.
By your logic then, the guy flying a citation or a learjet should be paid pennies compared to the might 757 pilot....except...it doesn’t work that way.

We are a capitalist system, and pay = experience. Unfortunately, unions still have some stronghold on airlines, who think just because you’ve been around a while, have everything done for you, you DESERVE to be paid big bucks.

Nope.

Get paid what your worth.

WJ/Swoop know this. Guy meets a matrix of relative experience, but doesn’t have to do much more than obediently follow some SOP’s and show up on time. Same said guy wouldn’t know how to operate his own fuel panel if he had to, relies on someone else. Couldn't file his own flightplan, relies on someone else. Heck, couldn’t do a weight and balance manually without relying on someone else, BUT PAY ME MORE MONEY CAUSE I FLY BIG PLANE.

Nope.

Take your 80k job, smile, and be happy you even have one. Want more money? Go earn it.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Hangry » Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:04 pm

Minimums wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 1:29 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:44 pm
By that logic A380 pilots should make the same as a CRJ100. Hell, the guy doing minow trapping in a supercub, $2500/month plus room and board. They're all airplanes, not rocket ships.

The bigger the plane, the bigger the paycheck. Similar sized planes doing similar work should pay the same. Swoop 737 doing domestic and trans border flying should pay the same as WJ 737 doing domestic and trans border flying that should pay the same as AC A320 doing domestic and trans border flying. You get the point.
By your logic then, the guy flying a citation or a learjet should be paid pennies compared to the might 757 pilot....except...it doesn’t work that way.

We are a capitalist system, and pay = experience. Unfortunately, unions still have some stronghold on airlines, who think just because you’ve been around a while, have everything done for you, you DESERVE to be paid big bucks.

Nope.

Get paid what your worth.

WJ/Swoop know this. Guy meets a matrix of relative experience, but doesn’t have to do much more than obediently follow some SOP’s and show up on time. Same said guy wouldn’t know how to operate his own fuel panel if he had to, relies on someone else. Couldn't file his own flightplan, relies on someone else. Heck, couldn’t do a weight and balance manually without relying on someone else, BUT PAY ME MORE MONEY CAUSE I FLY BIG PLANE.

Nope.

Take your 80k job, smile, and be happy you even have one. Want more money? Go earn it.
I feel stupider after having read that.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Dec 08, 2019 5:50 am

Never argue with a stupid person, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Minimums » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:22 pm

Says the all mighty crj pilots, as the gaze down upon the lowly challenger peasants..
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Post by goingnowherefast » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:43 pm

Haha, I don't fly a CRJ, or even a jet at all. Jets are for hot tubs :goodman:
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by Zaibatsu » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:22 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 3:51 pm
Your comparing a regional E175 to a 737-800?

It's about half the size.
I’m comparing an E175 to E190.

The E175 operated by Sky Regional.

The E190 operated by Air Canada.

What is the difference in salary between the two?

And if you justify it because one jet it slightly smaller than the other jet of the same basic design, should WJ pilots who have routes on with the 736 get paid less?
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:35 pm

The Sky Regional 175 pilots should get paid the same as the mainline 190 pilots. They used to when the 175s were at mainline.

I don't get people in this thread. We should be looking at reasons to bring pay up to the industry leaders and raising it for everybody. We don't need excuses to work for less. CEOs are already doing a fantastic job at that.
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Re: Swoop ?

Post by rigpiggy » Sat Dec 14, 2019 6:26 am

C.W.E. wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:51 pm
It is called supply and demand.

Obviously someone is willing to work for what they pay so the problem lies with pilots not companies.
Corporate sold the airplane boys, just trying to keep the doors open
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