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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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scdriver wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 am
Flight94 wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm
I’m surprised it’s that low for single pilot IFR. Hard to live off that in yvr too. Be better off driving a caravan on floats at Seair
As a comparison, Skylink Express, which flies the exact same routes and similar schedule as Morningstar out of YVR with the C208, pays $40k per year, no benefits, no union, no uniform, no medical, etc. And they load/unload their own plane.
I really don’t understand why the hell anyone would take that job

Maybe because they had no other option at that moment in time? Lets be real, not everyone gets the same opportunities in life. We all know most people would take a higher paying job with better benefits and protections if they could.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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scdriver wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 am
Flight94 wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm
I’m surprised it’s that low for single pilot IFR. Hard to live off that in yvr too. Be better off driving a caravan on floats at Seair
As a comparison, Skylink Express, which flies the exact same routes and similar schedule as Morningstar out of YVR with the C208, pays $40k per year, no benefits, no union, no uniform, no medical, etc. And they load/unload their own plane.
I really don’t understand why the hell anyone would take that job
Because it's better to load/unload a C208 for UPS than load/unload an UPS truck... At least you're logging hours to jump ships in the future. Also, everything said above is true, but an union is coming soon to Skylink. Cheers.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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Tbayer2021 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 am
scdriver wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:44 am
Flight94 wrote: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:03 pm

As a comparison, Skylink Express, which flies the exact same routes and similar schedule as Morningstar out of YVR with the C208, pays $40k per year, no benefits, no union, no uniform, no medical, etc. And they load/unload their own plane.
I really don’t understand why the hell anyone would take that job

Maybe because they had no other option at that moment in time? Lets be real, not everyone gets the same opportunities in life. We all know most people would take a higher paying job with better benefits and protections if they could.
I definitely understand that, but assuming most (all?) of the Skylink 208 pilots were hired prior to COVID, I find it hard to believe that most of them wouldn’t have other options. Yes, I know everyone’s situation is different but still. The few thousand hours to get that job would almost certainly offer other opportunities in yvr. I would genuinely like to know more about the folks there though and why they choose to fly there.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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I definitely understand that, but assuming most (all?) of the Skylink 208 pilots were hired prior to COVID, I find it hard to believe that most of them wouldn’t have other options. Yes, I know everyone’s situation is different but still. The few thousand hours to get that job would almost certainly offer other opportunities in yvr. I would genuinely like to know more about the folks there though and why they choose to fly there.
Schedule is/was a big one. Caravan pilots only fly weekdays, all weekends and holidays off. Short hops to the island, home every night. Considering its SPIFR, the hiring req's are actually pretty low, only 1000 TT. Most guys that got hired had no previous IFR experience. And even though it only pays 40k, it's equivalent if not better than any right seat gig.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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Flight94 wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:57 pm
I definitely understand that, but assuming most (all?) of the Skylink 208 pilots were hired prior to COVID, I find it hard to believe that most of them wouldn’t have other options. Yes, I know everyone’s situation is different but still. The few thousand hours to get that job would almost certainly offer other opportunities in yvr. I would genuinely like to know more about the folks there though and why they choose to fly there.
Schedule is/was a big one. Caravan pilots only fly weekdays, all weekends and holidays off. Short hops to the island, home every night. Considering its SPIFR, the hiring req's are actually pretty low, only 1000 TT. Most guys that got hired had no previous IFR experience. And even though it only pays 40k, it's equivalent if not better than any right seat gig.
What’s the progression though? Can you fly a 1900 outta yvr? If they pay 40k for a caravan pilot I can’t imagine they pay much for a 1900 pilot. I think I’d have to disagree that it’s better than any right seat gig. I’d rather be in the right seat at Jazz or even Pasco I think where yes there will be some inevitable shittiness with schedule and what not for a while, but you’ll be ahead with career progression, salary, benefits, pension, and an all important seniority number. That’s all just my opinion though coming from a view that it’s really not possible to have a great life as a pilot
in yvr making 40k. Would you honestly say that the good schedule makes up for the pay and lack of benefits?
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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What’s the progression though? Can you fly a 1900 outta yvr? If they pay 40k for a caravan pilot I can’t imagine they pay much for a 1900 pilot. I think I’d have to disagree that it’s better than any right seat gig. I’d rather be in the right seat at Jazz or even Pasco I think where yes there will be some inevitable shittiness with schedule and what not for a while, but you’ll be ahead with career progression, salary, benefits, pension, and an all important seniority number. That’s all just my opinion though coming from a view that it’s really not possible to have a great life as a pilot
in yvr making 40k. Would you honestly say that the good schedule makes up for the pay and lack of benefits?
I agree with what you're saying, but even pre-covid you couldn't necessarily just no-questions-asked get on with jazz encore etc. Anyway, yes, there is flow opportunity to the 1900 in YVR. But a 1900 F/O makes 33k. Yes, you read that correctly. The captain pay is 70k. No pay progression, ever. Eastern bases get paid even less, I believe 31k/60k. 2 weeks holidays until you have 5 years in. As stated above, there is a union attempt in the works, so it will be interesting to see what happens. No one is happy, and no one has bonds left. Forecast for turbulence.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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scdriver wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:13 pm

I definitely understand that, but assuming most (all?) of the Skylink 208 pilots were hired prior to COVID, I find it hard to believe that most of them wouldn’t have other options. Yes, I know everyone’s situation is different but still. The few thousand hours to get that job would almost certainly offer other opportunities in yvr. I would genuinely like to know more about the folks there though and why they choose to fly there.
Well i think i can answer some of your questions.
I was offered this job 3 months before COVID hit, I had just shy of 800 hours of single piston time, it’s not like I could’ve gone to jazz or whatever.
So with 800 hours, the pay is actually quite good compare to other jobs I could’ve gotten.
The thing is, i applied for the B1900 FO position and I only found out it’s for a caravan job on the offer letter, they told me it’d be something like 6 month till i fly the B1900, but nothing in writing.
I can see why people take the job, not a lot of options in YVR area with <1000 hours, and you might actually get onto the 1900 in a reasonable time frame?
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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Turboprops wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:01 pm I was offered this job 3 months before COVID hit, I had just shy of 800 hours of single piston time, it’s not like I could’ve gone to jazz or whatever.
The the big question. did you take the job ? If so, then I would posit that while everybody else was laid off and whining on keyboards, you were flying, finished ATPL requirements and will be all set now to go front of the que when airlines start hiriing again. While those complaining about how poor the job is that they didn't get, will be wondering how they can get current and marketable once hiring starts....
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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goldeneagle wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:55 pm
Turboprops wrote: Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:01 pm I was offered this job 3 months before COVID hit, I had just shy of 800 hours of single piston time, it’s not like I could’ve gone to jazz or whatever.
The the big question. did you take the job ? If so, then I would posit that while everybody else was laid off and whining on keyboards, you were flying, finished ATPL requirements and will be all set now to go front of the que when airlines start hiriing again. While those complaining about how poor the job is that they didn't get, will be wondering how they can get current and marketable once hiring starts....
Nope I took another job flying twins, didn’t even finish training then got sent home in March with no call back right.
Went back to survey for the summer, kept thinking I made a big mistake of not going to Skylink
But the company kept their words and hired me back, so I’m logging multi time now, guess everything worked out in the end.
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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Has anyone heard if calls have gone out for the Morningstar YYC ATR FO job posted a few weeks ago?
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Re: Morningstar C208 YVR

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Invertago wrote: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:32 pm I'm not expecting to see the 208 YVR job posting pop up till you see the job board light up across the country. Basically, when the 208 job is available you'll be seeing Encore / Jazz hiring off the street again because the industry will have recovered.
This is GoingMissed from the year 2022. Invertago's prediction has turned out to be correct.
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