Perimeter Aviation

[Triple7]

Hey, just wondering if anyone could give me some info on Perimeter. Are they hiring anytime soon? What are they like to work for? hours per month? pay for an FO? Captain? Do they bond you? schedule? any info would be much appreciated. thanks.

[Triple7]

really?! nothin???

[Just another canuck]

I've never worked for them, but I am under the impression that they hire from internally only. Ground to FO and FO to Captain... and especially in these times, I highly doubt they'll be changing that.

Anyone, correct me if I'm wrong.

[CLguy]

Actually JAC you are under the wrong impression. It is not uncommon for direct hire to right seat and bypass the ground stuff as long as you have some decent time.

Seems there's barely a thread on this site that you don't have an opinion on!!!

[Just another canuck]

Actually JAC you are under the wrong impression. It is not uncommon for direct hire to right seat and bypass the ground stuff as long as you have some decent time.

That's why I said correct me if I'm wrong... I had a buddy who worked there and that's what he told me. He was on the ground at the time and maybe this was his way of saying "piss off". I know direct hire guys at Wasaya were often resented.

Whatevs.

Seems there's barely a thread on this site that you don't have an opinion on!!!

Go to the General Comments section... you won't find me too much there. But after all, it has been a long, unemployed winter and I can only walk up and down the beach so much... ice fishing is done. But the ice is all out in front here now and the lake trout will be biting soon... it's steel heading time already. I would like to say I'll be heading over to the moffat straits soon enough, but I'll be gone soon. I know you know what I'm talking about because you grew up in the same place.

Just ignore me if you don't agree... or correct me. I take criticism well.

[Triple7]

Actually JAC you are under the wrong impression. It is not uncommon for direct hire to right seat and bypass the ground stuff as long as you have some decent time.

That's why I said correct me if I'm wrong... I had a buddy who worked there and that's what he told me. He was on the ground at the time and maybe this was his way of saying "piss off". I know direct hire guys at Wasaya were often resented.

Whatevs.

Seems there's barely a thread on this site that you don't have an opinion on!!!

Go to the General Comments section... you won't find me too much there. But after all, it has been a long, unemployed winter and I can only walk up and down the beach so much... ice fishing is done. But the ice is all out in front here now and the lake trout will be biting soon... it's steel heading time already. I would like to say I'll be heading over to the moffat straits soon enough, but I'll be gone soon. I know you know what I'm talking about because you grew up in the same place.

Just ignore me if you don't agree... or correct me. I take criticism well.

WTF??

[Brown Bear]

Hey JAC......just wondering. WTF is a "direct hire" guy? Could that be a pilot, who is actually hired as a PILOT? I could sure see where that would be "resented".

[Just another canuck]

WTF??

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Hey JAC......just wondering. WTF is a "direct hire" guy? Could that be a pilot, who is actually hired as a PILOT? I could sure see where that would be "resented".

Just saying that ground guys get pissed when pilots are hired externally... instead of promoting from within, they hire guys to fill positions. For example, instead of promoting a PC-12 FO to Caravan Captain, they hire someone to fly the Van. Now, if you go down the chain, this means the ground guy doesn't get to move to the PC-12 FO spot. Personally, I feel this is up to the CP/DFO/whatever and is probably done for the appropriate reasons. However, you could see how this would piss off the ground guy who has been slinging bags for the last year waiting for his spot.

[altiplano]

You can be pissed at the company for dangling carrots and leaving you out on the ramp when opportunity arises and you should be pissed at yourself for sitting there and taking it, but you shouldn't be pissed at some guy who is just taking a job he has been offered because he applied and the company thinks he is apparently qualified...

Seems you might have things backwards...

Now if the guy walked all over someone and lied and stole his way up maybe you can be pissed or maybe you can take a lesson or 2?

[Brown Bear]

WTF??

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Hey JAC......just wondering. WTF is a "direct hire" guy? Could that be a pilot, who is actually hired as a PILOT? I could sure see where that would be "resented".

Just saying that ground guys get pissed when pilots are hired externally... instead of promoting from within, they hire guys to fill positions. For example, instead of promoting a PC-12 FO to Caravan Captain, they hire someone to fly the Van. Now, if you go down the chain, this means the ground guy doesn't get to move to the PC-12 FO spot. Personally, I feel this is up to the CP/DFO/whatever and is probably done for the appropriate reasons. However, you could see how this would piss off the ground guy who has been slinging bags for the last year waiting for his spot.

What you just don't get, is "slinging bags" is not a pilot job. It's a ramp job. Who gives a rat's ass if the ramp guys are pissed. Go get a flying job. It's NOT "his spot"...get it?

[Just another canuck]

Seems you might have things backwards...

Now if the guy walked all over someone and lied and stole his way up maybe you can be pissed or maybe you can take a lesson or 2?

What you just don't get, is "slinging bags" is not a pilot job. It's a ramp job. Who gives a rat's ass if the ramp guys are pissed. Go get a flying job. It's NOT "his spot"...get it?

Who are you guys trying to educate here? There's no reason to point a finger at me and say "learn a lesson" and "Get it?"... re-read my post and you'll find this:

Personally, I feel this is up to the CP/DFO/whatever and is probably done for the appropriate reasons. However, you could see how this would piss off the ground guy who has been slinging bags for the last year waiting for his spot.

I don't have anything ass-backwards... I don't work on the ground anymore and it's not my business of what goes on in the "rampie" industry. I said I believe it's up to the CP or whoever to hire whoever the hell they want... plain and simple. Rampies are never promised anything so they really have no right to be upset. This is/was the mentality at Wasaya though... I'm just stating a fact. The ground guys up in Pickle are like a little community and when an outside hire took a Caravan spot, things were said and they weren't nice things. Guys got pissy... whataever. This is probably, not for sure, the same mentality at Perimeter, which was the point of the original post. I know of a couple other places that this also goes on. Go tell a Tindi rampie they're going to hire some FO's and watch them freak out.

Anyway, altiplano, Brown Bear, I suspect you misinterpreted what I said/meant, so I hope I've cleared that up.

Cheers,

JAC

[Triple7]

Go tell a Tindi rampie they're going to hire some FO's and watch them freak out.

WHAT?! why should rampies be pissed when they hire outsiders to fill flying positions?! Because the outsiders actually had the balls to go out and bust some ass and build some time?? how does throwing bags improve your instrument skills? is your IFR still current? Do you remember how to land? So a 250hr guy who has dispatched for 8 months is the next best thing than an experienced outsider with a hard earned 1000hrs? I have no sympathy for lazy rampies who think they'll just be handed a spot because they have "done their time".

[altiplano]

When I say you might have things backwards it wasn't directed specifically at you...

More "You" in the sense of people in general who may feel hard done by for being passed over off the ramp...

... and no offence intended to rampies - I worked the ramp at one point and it got me a start and opened my eyes - but it certainly didn't live up to the expectation for the start I had hoped for so I moved on... nothing wrong with doing it, there are a lot of ways to get a start in this business and getting lucky didn't seem to happen to me or anyone I knew so you do whatever you have to do to make it go...

[A2G]

Ok I'm just going to chime in here because I find myself in the position you guys are bitching about. I'm not taking sides, but you guys have me confused.

"why should rampies be pissed when they hire outsiders to fill flying positions?! Because the outsiders actually had the balls to go out and bust some ass and build some time??"

As a low timer trying to land my first job, I'm trying to "bust some ass and build some time", but all there seems to be is a ground position to start!!! Even the small operators in buttfuck nowhere seem to make you put in some time on the ground/dock first before you get into any a/c. So please, do tell me where I can go and bust some ass and build some time totally bypassing a ground job first!!?!?!?!

Everyone says that you gotta start on a dock or a ramp somewhere, at least when your less than 1000hrs.

[dmillage]

Like AG2 I don’t want to take sides, it’s an interesting subject and you both have valid points and arguments.

However, I was just wondering how slinging bags, loading cargo, fueling est for 12+ hours a day makes you “lazy”? Especially when you’re doing it try to start a career. Now I’m not trying argue about what rampies are and aren’t entitled to, but labeling them as “lazy” is unfair.

[mattedfred]

OMFG this thread is a total s@#t show

[Doc]

OMFG this thread is a total s@#t show

Agreed. Shall we call enough is enough? Me thinks so.