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first minimum requirement is people who use full words and not internet slang
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fish4life wrote:first minimum requirement is people who use full words and not internet slang
+1 hahahhahaaha or should that be lol?
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I have a friend working there (moving from ramp to Metro after about a year).... All that I've heard is positive.

One point to consider, for those that do get an interview for a ramp, reservations, etc position - they seem to hire very much FOR those positions. Speaking as an unsuccesful ramp applicant (my friend gave my CV to his manager, and I was invited for an interview with HR and the manager). My impression was very much that they do not hire pilots for ramp and other positions. They hire ramp folks, etc. Once hired, if you happen to be a pilot, THEN you send in an application to CP and get on the internal non-flying list, are invited to sims, etc. HR wasn't really exactly sure how it worked.

Work boots and clean work clothes would probably have been more suitable attire than shirt and tie - you are not applying as a pilot until you already work there.

Keep in mind that these observations are based solely on my personal experience - this is not sour grapes or attempting to justify not getting the job, simply things that I think would be helpful to know before walking in the door.

As an aside, I had 350 hrs, CPL, Multi, IFR, seaplane ratings and IATRA written.

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Exactly. Perimeter does not hire pilots (unless an outside posting is out). They hire people to work the ramp etc. Once you are in, you can apply to be a pilot though the CP.
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what about instructors? do they hire them and then on to the twins?
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AJV wrote:what about instructors? do they hire them and then on to the twins?
correct. Instructors with at least 1000 hours join the rampie wait list. The only difference is, in the mean time...they build multi pic time. I know of several instructors there who, after just 6 months of being an FO, are going Captain because a) they have their AA's and b) there is so much movement and they are sort of captains for the Metro 3.
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I still haven't done my multi/multi-ifr rating. I was thinking of doing it at Perimeter's flight school. Would it help me get a ground job/flying job afterward at Perimeter's ?

I have 350 hours TT. IFR Class 3.

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If would help you more to get a job there now...
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BEFAN5 wrote:If would help you more to get a job there now...
If I wasn't under contract for the whole summer, believe me, I would have already set up camp in Thompson...
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Well, I've seen a few faces work the ground for 2 months and get flight line in the past few months... Hopefully it will be the same in the fall for you.

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I haven't heard of anybody going flightline in as little as 2 months.

Most recently an employee from reservations was put through metro 2 training after about 4 months; that is the quickest I've heard of so far. The average seems to be a little less than a year these days, with many motivated ramp/cargo/res employees with 250tt+ and iatras getting on in 7 or 8 months. Things are good here, the latest batches of F/Os are shaping up to be real winners and times are exciting.
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Hey guys,

This thread has definitely peaked my interest in Perimeter.

I currently have 250TT with a class 4 instructor rating. I intend to add the IATRA asap. Once the IATRA is done would I have a chance at an instructor position at Perimeter? I would be willing to work the ramp as well but would hope to start insructing on singles and then get checked out on the twins when my time comes up and get the multi-PIC hours going.

So I guess my question is how would somebody in my situation go about getting on with Perimeter? Do I apply for a ramp or reservations position, then once in, apply as an instructor? Or do I apply directly to insruct? Would I ramp and instruct simultaneously? I also have a university degree and speak french would this be an asset? I am a bit older than most starting out, will this play against me for a ramp position? Final question, I imagine with the winter season approaching, things might be slowing down a bit, what if I were to instruct elsewhere for a bit, would having say 500-750 hrs with some instructing experience help?

Sorry for the long list, any and all help is much appreatiated!

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This thread has definitely peaked my interest in Perimeter.
Enough that you bothered to look up their website, and see that they only do Multi/IFR training?
would hope to start insructing on singles and then get checked out on the twins when my time comes up and get the multi-PIC hours going.
http://www.perimeter.ca/Training/training.html

It is my general belief that, as a low-timer, the Big P would start you on the ramp, as M/IFR teaching isn't really for beginning instructors. It really depends on what you want to do - instruct, and then move into the school, and then into skeds, or . bags on the ramp, and then into the skeds. I'd imagine that the time invested would be about the same either road...

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Enough that you bothered to look up their website, and see that they only do Multi/IFR training?
would hope to start insructing on singles and then get checked out on the twins when my time comes up and get the multi-PIC hours going.
http://www.perimeter.ca/Training/training.html
It is my general belief that, as a low-timer, the Big P would start you on the ramp, as M/IFR teaching isn't really for beginning instructors. It really depends on what you want to do - instruct, and then move into the school, and then into skeds, or . bags on the ramp, and then into the skeds. I'd imagine that the time invested would be about the same either road...
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Hey North shore, I went to the site and to pilot career center to check them out, I did see it was an MIFR school, kind of slipped my mind when I was writing I guess, but like you said the MIFR instrcuting isn't really for beginners, so I suppose I could apply on the ramp for now, and try to instruct elsewhere in the meantime, then depending on when I get the call they can decide where I fit. They are completely separate paths though right? You either start there as an instructor and move to sked or ramp to sked, no combining the two?

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Too lazy to look it up again but I don't think you can teach multi fir with 250 hours... Even if you could, perimeter prides themselves on being professional and most instructors have well over 1000. Ramp is your best/only bet.
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BEFAN5 wrote:Too lazy to look it up again but I don't think you can teach multi fir with 250 hours... Even if you could, perimeter prides themselves on being professional and most instructors have well over 1000. Ramp is your best/only bet.

Thanks BEFAN5, for those who start on the ramp at 250tt, does perimeter do anything to help speed up the atpl or do you have to log 2500 hrs as an FO on the turboprops?
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What do you mean by speed up the atpl?
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I've only observed P from across the ramp, and 2nd hand from friends who have worked there. I'd imagine that if you were to start on the ramp, you'll be pretty busy working, and might find it difficult to hold down a 2nd job instructing. Realistically, as an instructor, you'd want to get on somewhere that is busy, so you could gain experience, and get your 3? recommends in to become a class 3. That'll take you some time, even as a full-time instructor. Trying to wedge it in between ramp shifts isn't, I think, realistic.

Also, as is mentioned numerous times elsewhere on this forum, only instruct if you really want to do so. If you just want the hours to get on with your career, you'll be a poorer teacher than someone who is interested in passing on their knowledge.....
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cdnpilot77 wrote:What do you mean by speed up the atpl?

Well if you are to start as an F/O with 250tt, you would need to log 2500 to get the required 1500 for the atpl, which would probably take 3+ years right? I have no problem with that but I have heard some operators will help piots log some PIC hours on empty legs for example in order to help them get the required hours faster. Just wondering if Perimeter had anything like that in place.

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North Shore wrote:I've only observed P from across the ramp, and 2nd hand from friends who have worked there. I'd imagine that if you were to start on the ramp, you'll be pretty busy working, and might find it difficult to hold down a 2nd job instructing. Realistically, as an instructor, you'd want to get on somewhere that is busy, so you could gain experience, and get your 3? recommends in to become a class 3. That'll take you some time, even as a full-time instructor. Trying to wedge it in between ramp shifts isn't, I think, realistic.

Also, as is mentioned numerous times elsewhere on this forum, only instruct if you really want to do so. If you just want the hours to get on with your career, you'll be a poorer teacher than someone who is interested in passing on their knowledge.....
Yup definitely, I didn't actually mean instrucitng part-time while ramping at P, I meant either gaining some experience as an instructor elsewhere to bring myself up to their standards then applying as an instructor as opposed to ramping right away, either way I intend to give what ever work I do my full attention, no side-jobs. I do enjoy teaching and have done so in the past outside of aviation, instructing is definitely how I would like to start and the students would get my full attention. That said I will consider other paths such as working the ramp if they make sense as well. Either way Perimeter seems to be the type of professional well-run organization that I would like to get a start with.



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jpar84 wrote:
cdnpilot77 wrote:What do you mean by speed up the atpl?

Well if you are to start as an F/O with 250tt, you would need to log 2500 to get the required 1500 for the atpl, which would probably take 3+ years right? I have no problem with that but I have heard some operators will help piots log some PIC hours on empty legs for example in order to help them get the required hours faster. Just wondering if Perimeter had anything like that in place.

thanks

You should really look into the aircraft types at Perimeter and you will see that they have metro 2's which don't require an ATPL to go Captain, that being said there is no PIC on empty legs or anything else. It sounds like you have a lot of research yet to do but keep in mind I don't think it has changed but pretty much everyone gets on there knowing someone in the company as there is stacks of resume's with internal references. Apply though can't hurt.
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fish4life wrote:
jpar84 wrote:
cdnpilot77 wrote:What do you mean by speed up the atpl?

Well if you are to start as an F/O with 250tt, you would need to log 2500 to get the required 1500 for the atpl, which would probably take 3+ years right? I have no problem with that but I have heard some operators will help piots log some PIC hours on empty legs for example in order to help them get the required hours faster. Just wondering if Perimeter had anything like that in place.

thanks

You should really look into the aircraft types at Perimeter and you will see that they have metro 2's which don't require an ATPL to go Captain, that being said there is no PIC on empty legs or anything else. It sounds like you have a lot of research yet to do but keep in mind I don't think it has changed but pretty much everyone gets on there knowing someone in the company as there is stacks of resume's with internal references. Apply though can't hurt.
Yup thats true, thanks!
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As others had mentioned 1000TT and a class 3 instructor ratings are the bare minimum to get on with the school. While some people get on with that amount of hours - more people are at least several hundred above the minimums.

Anyhow as far as Perimeter works if you really want to work here you need to get a job within the company. It can be anything, ramp, reservations, dispatch etc.. When you are applying to become an F/O they require you to have all your stuff done (CPL, MIFR and if it's a Metro 3 spot an IATRA and obviously 250TT). Using your date of hire as a reference they will let the more senior ramp guys in on the ground school. Once your number comes up for training you will do an evaluation process (Sim Eval). If you pass all this you will be slotted in for training. Due the the seniority of the DH8 this is not an entry level position.

Perimeter has Metro 2's and 3's, Beech 99s, DH8-100s and the 2 Barons and 3 Travel Airs. Once an F/O if you do not have the PIC time for your ATPL's pilots usually bid on either the Metro 2 Beech 99 or the Bag Runs and get their PIC that way.

Perimeter is a great company to work for in my opinion and if you are serious about putting in time on the ramp with your instructor rating you should try and get a job here.
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ZBBYLW wrote:As others had mentioned 1000TT and a class 3 instructor ratings are the bare minimum to get on with the school. While some people get on with that amount of hours - more people are at least several hundred above the minimums.

Anyhow as far as Perimeter works if you really want to work here you need to get a job within the company. It can be anything, ramp, reservations, dispatch etc.. When you are applying to become an F/O they require you to have all your stuff done (CPL, MIFR and if it's a Metro 3 spot an IATRA and obviously 250TT). Using your date of hire as a reference they will let the more senior ramp guys in on the ground school. Once your number comes up for training you will do an evaluation process (Sim Eval). If you pass all this you will be slotted in for training. Due the the seniority of the DH8 this is not an entry level position.

Perimeter has Metro 2's and 3's, Beech 99s, DH8-100s and the 2 Barons and 3 Travel Airs. Once an F/O if you do not have the PIC time for your ATPL's pilots usually bid on either the Metro 2 Beech 99 or the Bag Runs and get their PIC that way.

Perimeter is a great company to work for in my opinion and if you are serious about putting in time on the ramp with your instructor rating you should try and get a job here.
Great thanks ZBBYLW, I will definitely be applying once I get the IATRA done.

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Or you could apply now. The ramp manager doesn't care if you have an IATRA :lol:
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