"Tell me about a time you were sad at work" etc etc etc.

rooster wrote:

Flygal wrote:I have yet to find a better starting option then Perimeter.

iamnomaverick wrote:I don't think there is a better place to start a career to be honest.

While I can appreciate the positivity, how do you know there isn't a better place to start? How many 703/04 companies have you worked for? How do you know Air Sprint, Sunwest, Pacific Coastal, Georgian, Cariboo etc aren't better?

I wouldn't go around making the statement that Perimeter is the best place to start, because that's as bold a statement as I've ever seen and it's frankly a matter of personal opinion. I'm pretty sure an Ontarian would believe Georgian is the best place to start or a British Columbian would say CMA.

British Columbian here who has worked for Pasco on the ramp.
1. Pacific Coastal is one of the best companies to work for, but not as a starting option. They've only ever taken like 2 guys from the Ramp. So amazing company, not to start. They want you to have your hours to fly the 1900 or Saab.

2. No British Columbians believe CMA is that great. The wait time is crazy long and paired with the low income as an FO after finally waiting 2 years is embarrassing.

Can't comment on Georgian though.

an air tight contract, A++ training and a management team that actually cares about you.

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Pffft! What a laugh.

Good evening,

Pffft! What a laugh.

Could you develop please ?

thanks

Hello,

I'm hoping to find someone with recent or current information and/or experience in regards to working a ground position towards a flight positions. If they would please PM me, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks

perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

bushhopper wrote:perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

SO is that the actual wait time on the ramp? Also, can someone PM me any direct contacts for perimeter hr for position inquiry?

thank you,
Darshan

bushhopper wrote:perimeter management jokes around how the ramp is a 2 year interview.... what a joke

How is this any different from any other entry level position in which one wishes to move to a higher level within a company?

Rampie Position isn't there to give the employer time to figure out over 2 years if the rampie is wasting his time or not. It is not right to hold a employee hostage for 2 years, Fire him the first sign you do not want him to fly for you. There are companies that will not do that. If you meet company expectation, no one should hold you hostage. That is slavery. Anyone who puts themselves in such situation, I feel sorry for your lack of intelligence.

Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

In my opinion the low time programs are typically the Achilles heel in many cases for a lot of operators. I've observed the program at the company I work for with interest, and it seems the company and the ramp workers are their own worst enemies.

The program's concept is straight forward, but the execution is where it all falls apart. The ramp workers can't, or don't want to live in a different city and don't qualify for flying jobs in the cities they live in. The company throws them a bone and agrees to give them the opportunity to prove their dedication and work ethic in an exchange for a promotion to flying, despite the fact that they have zero industry flying experience to offer their employer.

The industry is relentlessly unstable and often employers are required go adjust wait times and go back on promises to benefit the needs of the company. Believe it or not, these commuter airlines are not in the game to groom pilots for the majors, and sometimes the bottom line takes precedence.

The ramp workers bust their ass for years. They work extremely hard and often possess great attitudes, but they aren't there to be helpful, deep down they want to fly, and they are tired of waiting. The glossy image of the airline they work for has since faded as they continue to get jerked around, and the company often takes advantageo of them. They have invested too much time to quit now and the company knows it. Finally they make it to flight line and flying the airplane is tough. They haven't flown consistently in years and it's a lot to chew. Finally the reality of their 200hr situation hits home. They are facing 2-3 more years of low seniority in the right seat while pilots who gained experience elsewhere are jumping ahead of them and getting upgrades in 8-12 months. It's difficult not to be bitter.

Because they came to the company with zero flying time, these people end up staying the longest. Often the better part of a decade, consuming your 20's and spitting you out on the wrong side of 30. They end up being the senior captains and they are given training and line-indoc captain rolls. They have reached full blown bitterness at this point as people with far less time in industry are flying as RP's to Tokyo, while they are still flying to Fort Saint nowhere with a low timer beside them trying to kill them. They can't help but subconsciously ooze this bitterness to their trainee and it sets the tone for their time at the company as well.

Neither the low timer, nor the company benefits from this unstoppable cycle. Not every case ends up like this, but the vast majority do. I feel bad for the low time guys, but there is no substitute for bringing experience to a company. If you want to be treated well, you need to be valuable.

It's just my opinion, but something to consider before you accept a ramp to flying position.

PR

Perimeter is a top notch company, excellent management staff even thou Ryder just left the new Ops manager is as good. if i was going to do it all over again there is no doubt i go the Perimeter way

cdnpilot77 wrote:Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

There's really no point on doing a sim eval when first hired. You don't know anything about the plane you're being tested on! Put in your time, do a few ground schools, sign yourself up for free metro sim sessions, show initiative and study on your own!

Sim eval is done to make sure you've stayed sharp with the IFR and know the basics of flying the metro (emergencies, system checks...). In the past, people have just sat on their butt for 1-2 years doing nothing to prepare themselves for the fire hose that is metro training. After Start checklist is started and the candidate doesn't even know where the bleed air switches are!! Not even off the ground yet and things are going bad. Training is 800lbs of JetA1 an hour. Can't really blame them.

Initial F/O sim eval isn't hard. If you can pass your multi-ifr ride and apply a few emergency memory items, you're good to go. They don't expect you to be 10 steps ahead of the metro as a beginner.

Perimeter still is a great company.

Flygal wrote:

cdnpilot77 wrote:Why are they doing the sim check and pilot interview AFTER the ramp wait? Are people going to become better pilots after sitting for 1-2yrs? so the company waits the time for the pilots skills to improve on the check and then check out their skill? Why isn't the sim eval and pilot interview done at the beginning of each employment and when a spot pops up, someone jumps into ground school? or conversely, if they aren't a strong pilot, they can be released to live their life in another setting.

There's really no point on doing a sim eval when first hired. You don't know anything about the plane you're being tested on! Put in your time, do a few ground schools, sign yourself up for free metro sim sessions, show initiative and study on your own!

Sim eval is done to make sure you've stayed sharp with the IFR and know the basics of flying the metro (emergencies, system checks...). In the past, people have just sat on their butt for 1-2 years doing nothing to prepare themselves for the fire hose that is metro training. After Start checklist is started and the candidate doesn't even know where the bleed air switches are!! Not even off the ground yet and things are going bad. Training is 800lbs of JetA1 an hour. Can't really blame them.

Initial F/O sim eval isn't hard. If you can pass your multi-ifr ride and apply a few emergency memory items, you're good to go. They don't expect you to be 10 steps ahead of the metro as a beginner.

Perimeter still is a great company.

Pretty much perfectly put

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

darshanpatelh wrote:Hey guys, apart from ramp and flight instructor what other way can one follow soon after finishing min hours? My question comes from reading the last couple of posts.

thx

huh?

I would really wish, all these low time pilots who bring nothing to the table but cheap or free labour, would just stop this none sense, empty dream and get real people. ALL of us are bitter. I have not met to many pilots who are not bitter. Everyone is stepping over each others dead body, it is sick, what has this world came too.

Nope. Not bitter yet.

bushhopper wrote:I would really wish, all these low time pilots who bring nothing to the table but cheap or free labour, would just stop this none sense, empty dream and get real people. ALL of us are bitter. I have not met to many pilots who are not bitter. Everyone is stepping over each others dead body, it is sick, what has this world came too.

Not better yet either. Does the drama you mentioned escape my sight? Nope. It's all in your attitude, and if you can overlook that, keep to yourself, be positive, and enjoy where you're at, anyone can have a good time. Sorry it hasn't worked out for you!