North Wright Air

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hoewad
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Re: North Wright Air

Post by hoewad » Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:35 am

Hilroy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:44 pm
I know a guy who works there, here's what he said to me recently (copied and paste):

Wait time for a right seat on twin or 1900 is between 9 months and 1 year. You might get to fly the 206/207 in the mean time.

Accomodation is provided and is actually nice (11 room camp)

The work is pretty easy, but it might be long hours. Nothing happens in the winter because of the opened winter road and the lack of canoes/hunters to fly.

You're being paid minimum salary (13$/hour), but keep in mind you have no rent to pay.

Bonds:

1900: 1 year, 20k
DHC6: 1 year, 15k
207: 1 year, 3k

That 250$ thing we had to pay back in the days is not applicable anymore, which is a good thing.

Things have changed a lot since Travis took over the company from Warren.

Don't expect to fly 1000 hours every year, I'd say 1st year, you'll get 200, next year 700...

Twin Otter operation is very different from 1900. Twin is very summer intensive, expect to duty out your 703 during the 4 months season. 1900 is more regular, but is super repetitive (always the same two routes, same 6 airports).

Let me know if you want more info, I will try to get it for you.
hey hilroy any idea what your friend is flying now and what the pay is like? also are all shifts rotational?
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Re: North Wright Air

Post by Hilroy » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:28 pm

hoewad wrote:
Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:35 am
Hilroy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:44 pm

You're being paid minimum salary (13$/hour), but keep in mind you have no rent to pay.
hey hilroy any idea what your friend is flying now and what the pay is like? also are all shifts rotational?
He left about a year ago and now flies at a regional. The pay is as quoted above for ramp guys, and you get a small bump + mileage once you start flying.

He was making more money than me while I was instructing (if you include the rent + expenses), plus I had to pay for my CFI training.
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Re: North Wright Air

Post by TwotterBerries » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:42 pm

Laguardia wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm
Hilroy wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:44 pm
I know a guy who works there, here's what he said to me recently (copied and paste):

Wait time for a right seat on twin or 1900 is between 9 months and 1 year. You might get to fly the 206/207 in the mean time.

Accomodation is provided and is actually nice (11 room camp)

The work is pretty easy, but it might be long hours. Nothing happens in the winter because of the opened winter road and the lack of canoes/hunters to fly.

You're being paid minimum salary (13$/hour), but keep in mind you have no rent to pay.

Bonds:

1900: 1 year, 20k
DHC6: 1 year, 15k
207: 1 year, 3k

That 250$ thing we had to pay back in the days is not applicable anymore, which is a good thing.

Things have changed a lot since Travis took over the company from Warren.

Don't expect to fly 1000 hours every year, I'd say 1st year, you'll get 200, next year 700...

Twin Otter operation is very different from 1900. Twin is very summer intensive, expect to duty out your 703 during the 4 months season. 1900 is more regular, but is super repetitive (always the same two routes, same 6 airports).

Let me know if you want more info, I will try to get it for you.
So to sum it up

You need to go live up north in the middle of nowhere, making minimum wage for almost a year until you are allowed to fly a plane. Then, you need to sign a 20K Bond for minimum one year, of which in your first year of flying you only get 200 hours anyways. I bet the FO pay isn't much more then minimum wage either...

So it looks like at least 3 years until you can even get a chance to apply at jazz or porter, making absolutely crap money to only then make 40k a year... and I get paid 1.5 times what a jazz guy makes at my office job working 9 to 5...

who wants to spend 3-6 years of their life making essentially 20-40k a year? I wonder why there's this so called "shortage"...
Wow...you are going to be a real joy to fly with. Entitled? Can't wait for you to jump into a cockpit with minimum experience thinking the world owes you everything. Maybe some time up north for guys would be a good thing. Learn some work ethic and maybe how to hand fly before they get to the world of automation. Just some words of wisdom. It may not be the best paying gig. But at least you would have something to talk about for the next 30 years of your career then bore your cpt to death explaining how you almost survived an ILS. You can tell the difference between guys who never did bush fly and those who did. Take that for whats its worth.
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Re: North Wright Air

Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:00 am

TwotterBerries, I'm more concerned that you think that pay and those bonds are acceptable. Everybody should strive to work hard, fly safe, get along with their co-workers. They should also strive to improve their pay and working conditions. Not only for themselves, but for everybody.

At the regional level, Jazz starting pay is crap because georgian pay is crap, and so is Encore pay, etc. If one company had significant gains, guess who would scoop up all the pilots, then everybody else would have to increase their pay to remain competitive. Belittling Laguardia because they're pointing out crap conditions doesn't make them entitled.
Laguardia wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm
who wants to spend 3-6 years of their life making essentially 20-40k a year? I wonder why there's this so called "shortage"...
Bingo! Kids in high school are realising there's better careers, and don't even become pilots. Nobody wants to make 36 grand and live out of a suitcase. Especially if I can make 50 grand and be home.

Places in the north can offer decent lifestyles and some make careers out of it. However, if a company is not going to treat pilots properly, they'll just be a revolving door "training academy" for everybody else.
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Re: North Wright Air

Post by mixturerich » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:23 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:00 am
TwotterBerries, I'm more concerned that you think that pay and those bonds are acceptable. Everybody should strive to work hard, fly safe, get along with their co-workers. They should also strive to improve their pay and working conditions. Not only for themselves, but for everybody.

At the regional level, Jazz starting pay is crap because georgian pay is crap, and so is Encore pay, etc. If one company had significant gains, guess who would scoop up all the pilots, then everybody else would have to increase their pay to remain competitive. Belittling Laguardia because they're pointing out crap conditions doesn't make them entitled.
Laguardia wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm
who wants to spend 3-6 years of their life making essentially 20-40k a year? I wonder why there's this so called "shortage"...
Bingo! Kids in high school are realising there's better careers, and don't even become pilots. Nobody wants to make 36 grand and live out of a suitcase. Especially if I can make 50 grand and be home.

Places in the north can offer decent lifestyles and some make careers out of it. However, if a company is not going to treat pilots properly, they'll just be a revolving door "training academy" for everybody else.
But the pay and bonds are similar across the board. What are newly minted pilots to do? Probably safe to assume that most want to go airlines. In the grand scheme of things, it’s just a few years of grinding before things quickly really start to brighten up, especially with how things are moving right now. So people will accept the low pay and bonds more than ever.

You can go from getting licensed to $70k 705 captain in a few years now. Currently, that’s the reality. Economically, this industry is always a gamble, but it can often pay off.
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