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ALPA card drive starts today!

#1 Post by Mr. North » Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:14 pm

I'd wager 12 days to certification.
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#2 Post by skybaron » Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:05 pm

Let's hope these lads have the courage to stand united with their mainline brethren.
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#3 Post by Mooseontheloose » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:53 pm

If the card drive at Encore has started, ALPA has already won. I'd wager 20 days to certification, only because we work so damn much!

And why do we have our own forum now? We're in the process of UNITING our pilot group, not separating it.
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#4 Post by atphat » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:42 am

Mooseontheloose wrote:If the card drive at Encore has started, ALPA has already won. I'd wager 20 days to certification, only because we work so damn much!

And why do we have our own forum now? We're in the process of UNITING our pilot group, not separating it.
Probably because you work at Encore. Not Westjet.
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#5 Post by Nwtflier » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:42 pm

I like how you chose your words very carefully when naming the companies. It's actually Westjet and Westjet Encore.
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#6 Post by Alcoholism » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:48 pm

Pilots think unions will be the savior of what burdens them.... fools. Look at ACPA, complete tools; so is any pilot union. All just an excuse for pilots wanting to get in on the management side of things. And the worst thing of a company management side of things is to have a pilot running the show.
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#7 Post by skybaron » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 am

atphat wrote:
Mooseontheloose wrote:If the card drive at Encore has started, ALPA has already won. I'd wager 20 days to certification, only because we work so damn much!

And why do we have our own forum now? We're in the process of UNITING our pilot group, not separating it.
Probably because you work at Encore. Not Westjet.
The money goes to the same pockets regardless of their so called branding of the "two" operations.
It's the same outfit, and the current objective of management in this typical union setting will be to further try to separate the pilot groups.

It's 1 company.

After they certify, the hope will be that AC will join in, to further nation-wide representation.
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#8 Post by atphat » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:28 am

The WJ pilots I know definitely do not think it is one company. Could just be them though. Have heard many Encore pilots say they work for ""Westjet". Have yet to hear a Westjet pilot say they work for Encore. They are not the same. No matter how bad you want them to be.
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#9 Post by skybaron » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:54 am

atphat wrote:They are not the same. No matter how bad you want them to be.

My interest lies in only seeing a nationwide representation for the benefit of all pilots. I could care less about the egotistical intercompany squabbles that come from a few short sighted fellow "professionals".

And it IS 1 company. Just ask a member of their Board of Directors or major shareholders. Finance 101.
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#10 Post by atphat » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:29 am

Cool. Thought this website was from the POV of pilots. Not board of directors and major shareholders.
Understood.
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#11 Post by seriousflyer » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:15 pm

ALPA drive is underway!
So glad we at Encore got organised to be united with our fellow pilot group. ALPA support is strong and should move quickly. This will be an awesome step forward for the company as Westjet starts flying on the global stage. Best of luck everyone.
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#12 Post by .80@410 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:49 am

Alcoholism wrote:Pilots think unions will be the savior of what burdens them.... fools. Look at ACPA, complete tools; so is any pilot union. All just an excuse for pilots wanting to get in on the management side of things. And the worst thing of a company management side of things is to have a pilot running the show.

Speaking of tools :roll:

I shouldn't feed the tools. I mean trolls.
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#13 Post by RVR6000 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:11 am

Alcoholism wrote:Pilots think unions will be the savior of what burdens them.... fools. Look at ACPA, complete tools; so is any pilot union. All just an excuse for pilots wanting to get in on the management side of things. And the worst thing of a company management side of things is to have a pilot running the show.
Because ACPA isn’t a real union :lol:

Want to see what ALPA can achieve, look south of the border. If all branches of Westjet unite under ALPA, with Jazz/Transat already with ALPA it’s just a matter of time for AC pilots to join.
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#14 Post by atphat » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:28 pm

We can only hope.
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#15 Post by FAD3C » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:42 pm

As a former colleague used to say over the radio "god help us".
Too bad the FAA charges an arm and a leg for an ATPL conversion to ATP.
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#16 Post by HansDietrich » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:10 am

Alcoholism wrote:Pilots think unions will be the savior of what burdens them.... fools. Look at ACPA, complete tools; so is any pilot union. All just an excuse for pilots wanting to get in on the management side of things. And the worst thing of a company management side of things is to have a pilot running the show.
I'd take you more seriously if your nick-name wasn't "Alcoholism"... Get back to your Tues. morning bottle of cheap rye!
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#17 Post by flyinhigh » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:24 pm

I guess the card drive has gone no where or is going very slow. I thought it would be 2 weeks, but here we are at 3.5 weeks and still nothing.

I did figure that most would sign and get the ball rolling fairly quick, however at this point I'd say it might be a small majority if it goes through.

Thoughts??
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#18 Post by JBI » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:54 pm

I don't think anyone at Encore feels that there's a hurry in this. Most of the folks that I've spoken with generally are in favour of certification so that they can be represented by the same union (though a different bargaining unit) as the Mainline Jet guys. The fact that its taken a few weeks shouldn't really lead to any assumptions on the success of the card drive or lack there of.
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#19 Post by seriousflyer » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:01 am

Good point.
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#20 Post by Victory » Sun Oct 08, 2017 1:30 am

Encore may choose not to unionize now that Swoop is on the table. Mainline might just be left out in the cold, mumbling about list bottoms that no longer matter.
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#21 Post by DropTanks » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:58 am

Victory wrote:Encore may choose not to unionize now that Swoop is on the table. Mainline might just be left out in the cold, mumbling about list bottoms that no longer matter.
You can stop with the threats. The negotiating committee has already taken the stance (as per the pilot survey) that ALL Westjet flying be done by pilots on the WPDL. Furthermore, the company has stated they want to work with the pilots on this (Swoop) and have pilots in the WPDL flying it. Therefore, no BOTL bullshit. This BOTL bullshit was started by a minority. I say minority because the survey clearly identified that the MAJORITY wants all WJ flying done by pilots in the WPDL.

There you go, just as we promised we are trying to protect the one list with our dying breath. Now go and sign a card already and stop with the threats.
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#22 Post by JBI » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:43 am

I think it's pretty safe to say Victory doesn't work at Encore.

Of all the Encore folks that I've spoken with, none are interested in going to Swoop unless it's for mainline rates and/or directly negotiated with WJ as a position bid.
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#23 Post by Victory » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:58 am

Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
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#24 Post by JBI » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:35 am

Victory wrote:Working for less wages is a sacrifice that can pay off big time in the future so it is not the most pressing issue. Getting in on day one and reaping the rewards when the company expands is what matters the most.
Thanks Confucius. That's a great quote from a Fortune Cookie. I do note that it has nothing to do with the topic of an Encore ALPA card drive.

An appropriate quote in this situation is often attributed to Mark Twain: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
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#25 Post by '97 Tercel » Sun Oct 08, 2017 8:44 am

Thanks Confucius.
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