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What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by Floatinghog » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:28 pm

Hello, have bags of expat Q4 DEC time -
What is Encore offering salary/benefits for Q4 DEC?
If you don’t want to post, please PM me. I am already back in Canada and working another job and I’m interested in the Encore DEC job so I wouldn't mind knowing what they are offering in the first year salary.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by flyinhigh » Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:54 am

$69,000 first year.

Same perks and benefits as everyone else.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by tps8903 » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:25 am

Floatinghog wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Hello, have bags of expat Q4 DEC time -
What is Encore offering salary/benefits for Q4 DEC?
If you don’t want to post, please PM me. I am already back in Canada and working another job and I’m interested in the Encore DEC job so I wouldn't mind knowing what they are offering in the first year salary.
Thanxs
FHog
First poster is slightly off the mark. Here are the rates:

Captain
2019 2020 2021 2022 2023
1 $79.70 $81.29 $82.92 $84.58 $86.27
2 $81.71 $83.34 $85.01 $86.71 $88.44
3 $84.21 $85.89 $87.61 $89.36 $91.15
4 $86.78 $88.52 $90.29 $92.10 $93.94
5 $89.43 $91.22 $93.04 $94.90 $96.80
6 $93.24 $95.10 $97.00 $98.94 $100.92

Guaranteed min of 75 hours
Expect to fly 85ish hours, more if you choose. OT is basically unlimited right now.

OT triggers at 85 hours, or if you pick up on a day off. (1.5x)

Per diem is $3.2581/hr TAFB

Customizable benefit package to suit your needs or wants.

Your commute is free, unlike everyone else.

There is a better than good chance you won't preserve seniority for your "transfer" to mainline.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by DropTanks » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:30 am

Floatinghog wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:28 pm
Hello, have bags of expat Q4 DEC time -
What is Encore offering salary/benefits for Q4 DEC?
If you don’t want to post, please PM me. I am already back in Canada and working another job and I’m interested in the Encore DEC job so I wouldn't mind knowing what they are offering in the first year salary.
Thanxs
FHog
$79.70/hr
+10% stock purchase plan.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by seriousflyer » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:28 pm

A normal T4 is around 100k.
If you work OT you can earn $115K.
If you are a training captain and work OT and work your ass off. $130K.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by tailgunner » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:07 am

If you have ‘bags of q400 time ‘, then why in the world would you be applying to Encore?
Have you not done any research into the upcoming and current issues with WJ-Encore and the flow?
You may get a job quickly at Encore, and then be unable to move to WJ in a timely manner.
Apply at AC right now. There were 800+ vacancies on the last bid! Apply at Jazz and your pathway to AC is more certain with better WAWCON than Encore.
My 2 cents.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:35 am

Or Porter, they have/had a DEC captain posting.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by Grey_Wolf » Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:35 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:35 am
Or Porter, they have/had a DEC captain posting.
You could, but why would you, if career advancement is your goal. So what your flying a Q400 out of the island. Maybe you're looking into the outstations. In the end, there isn't any flow to anything bigger for the foreseeable future. I'd bet nothing till at least 2025.
tailgunner wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:07 am
Have you not done any research into the upcoming and current issues with WJ-Encore and the flow?
Apply at AC right now. There were 800+ vacancies on the last bid! Apply at Jazz and your pathway to AC is more certain with better WAWCON than Encore.
Ditto for Porter, latest news is that they're changing up the seating configuration (74 to 78), and cutting service to some markets during the winter months. Rumor is that they don't have to fill the slots off the island anymore, so it will free up some planes to do the routes that generate maximum revenue. Maybe they are preparing the books for an IPO? Maybe a buyout? Who knows!
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by goingnowherefast » Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:11 pm

That's too bad, 74 comfortable seats was always the big draw to be a Porter customer. Little extra leg room, better cushions.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by C-GGGQ » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:12 pm

I have my doubts about that. They can't fill 74 out of the island for takeoff performance issues in the summer. I don't see why they'd go to 78
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by DanWEC » Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:21 pm

This is purely anecdotal evidence and second hand, but I know exactly 4 people that went DEC at Encore, well experienced, and all 4 left between a few weeks to a few months on-line, all because of the schedule.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by skyhighh » Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:24 am

As a DEC I wouldn't bother coming to Encore. You will be working a lot more than anywhere else, pay isn't that great (I know 1000h King Air FOs making more), The FO level is dropping very quickly, no flow to mainline as of now, no One list, 50% of your pairings end with an extension...
Jazz, Porter, Sunwing, Air Transat, Air Canada... All of them are hiring and will give you better benefits/lifestyle.
If you have a family... you'll rarely see them, especially if you commute. Encore isn't what it used to be.

My 2 cents.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by kiaszceski » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:59 am

skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:24 am
As a DEC I wouldn't bother coming to Encore. You will be working a lot more than anywhere else, pay isn't that great (I know 1000h King Air FOs making more), The FO level is dropping very quickly, no flow to mainline as of now, no One list, 50% of your pairings end with an extension...
Jazz, Porter, Sunwing, Air Transat, Air Canada... All of them are hiring and will give you better benefits/lifestyle.
If you have a family... you'll rarely see them, especially if you commute. Encore isn't what it used to be.

My 2 cents.
Until they give better conditions, or not...
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by Cessna 180 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:19 pm

C-GGGQ wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:12 pm
I have my doubts about that. They can't fill 74 out of the island for takeoff performance issues in the summer. I don't see why they'd go to 78
New seats are lighter (carbon fiber), apparently TOW is actually lower with 4 extra standard males than with 74 old seats. I doubt they will be more comfortable than the previous seats. they say they're better, but that's to be seen.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by C-GGGQ » Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:38 pm

Ah yes I did see that new seat approved for the Q. Interesting
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by Liftdump » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:12 pm

I hear they are filled with helium
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by rigpiggy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:27 pm

I heard that trudeau was the engineer, and they were made magic, by unicorn farts, rainbows, and good hair
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by co-joe » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:18 pm

rigpiggy wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:27 pm
I heard that trudeau was the engineer, and they were made magic, by unicorn farts, rainbows, and good hair
...and painted black?

Sorry couldn't resist.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by 7dirty7 » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:18 pm

skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:24 am
As a DEC I wouldn't bother coming to Encore. You will be working a lot more than anywhere else, pay isn't that great (I know 1000h King Air FOs making more), The FO level is dropping very quickly, no flow to mainline as of now, no One list, 50% of your pairings end with an extension...
Jazz, Porter, Sunwing, Air Transat, Air Canada... All of them are hiring and will give you better benefits/lifestyle.
If you have a family... you'll rarely see them, especially if you commute. Encore isn't what it used to be.

My 2 cents.
1000 king air fo making more? I call bs on that one.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by skyhighh » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 pm

7dirty7 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:18 pm
skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:24 am
As a DEC I wouldn't bother coming to Encore. You will be working a lot more than anywhere else, pay isn't that great (I know 1000h King Air FOs making more), The FO level is dropping very quickly, no flow to mainline as of now, no One list, 50% of your pairings end with an extension...
Jazz, Porter, Sunwing, Air Transat, Air Canada... All of them are hiring and will give you better benefits/lifestyle.
If you have a family... you'll rarely see them, especially if you commute. Encore isn't what it used to be.

My 2 cents.
1000 king air fo making more? I call bs on that one.
At the moment Fast Air's FOs (And I'm sure it's the same in some other Medevac companies) make more money than what I used to make at Encore on the Left seat. Of course it involves PerDiems, Mileage, base pay, etc... but at the end of the day take home comes back to the same and some months even higher. So... yeah... And don't get me started on Captains nowadays.
But sure, BS :D The industry has changed a lot in the last couple years.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by 7dirty7 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:08 pm

skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 pm
7dirty7 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:18 pm
skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:24 am
As a DEC I wouldn't bother coming to Encore. You will be working a lot more than anywhere else, pay isn't that great (I know 1000h King Air FOs making more), The FO level is dropping very quickly, no flow to mainline as of now, no One list, 50% of your pairings end with an extension...
Jazz, Porter, Sunwing, Air Transat, Air Canada... All of them are hiring and will give you better benefits/lifestyle.
If you have a family... you'll rarely see them, especially if you commute. Encore isn't what it used to be.

My 2 cents.
1000 king air fo making more? I call bs on that one.
At the moment Fast Air's FOs (And I'm sure it's the same in some other Medevac companies) make more money than what I used to make at Encore on the Left seat. Of course it involves PerDiems, Mileage, base pay, etc... but at the end of the day take home comes back to the same and some months even higher. So... yeah... And don't get me started on Captains nowadays.
But sure, BS :D The industry has changed a lot in the last couple years.
Considering that I was a medevac capt in Alberta for several years making good money before coming here and now I'm taking home more (not much more but more) then yeah I still call BS that a 1000 hour king air fo is taking home more than an Encore capt.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by skyhighh » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:41 pm

7dirty7 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:08 pm
skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 pm
7dirty7 wrote:
Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:18 pm


1000 king air fo making more? I call bs on that one.
At the moment Fast Air's FOs (And I'm sure it's the same in some other Medevac companies) make more money than what I used to make at Encore on the Left seat. Of course it involves PerDiems, Mileage, base pay, etc... but at the end of the day take home comes back to the same and some months even higher. So... yeah... And don't get me started on Captains nowadays.
But sure, BS :D The industry has changed a lot in the last couple years.
Considering that I was a medevac capt in Alberta for several years making good money before coming here and now I'm taking home more (not much more but more) then yeah I still call BS that a 1000 hour king air fo is taking home more than an Encore capt.
I didn't say all of them made more money... But sure whatever. You guys at Encore continue protecting your amazing pay! Best in the market apparently. Better than a king air FO WOW!! Must be nice 😂 I mean good thing you are making all this extra $. How is picking up garbage by the way? When is the last time you guys got a decent profit share?
Listening to some encore guys on this forum it really sounds like you are living the dream watching everyone with a couple thousand hours bypassing you all to mainline. I hope you enjoy yyz cause you're going to be based there on the right seat of a 737 for a long long time if you ever get there.. How many times did they stop the flow in the last few years again?

To the original poster, forget all I said, DEC at Encore apparently is worth it. 7dirty7 says that you barely make more than a king air captain. 👍👍.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by 7dirty7 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:27 pm

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To the original poster, forget all I said, DEC at Encore apparently is worth it. 7dirty7 says that you barely make more than a king air captain. 👍👍.
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You don't even work at encore and you are giving advice or info on the pay? Sounds legit. Why you so mad bro?

To the OP you are looking at 100g gross pay first year all in.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:37 pm

Cause 100 grand "all in" is only slightly more than a 90 grand king air job.
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Re: What can a Q4 experienced DEC earn at Encore?

Post by yvrpilot82 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:08 pm

skyhighh wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:41 pm
7dirty7 wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:08 pm
skyhighh wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 pm


At the moment Fast Air's FOs (And I'm sure it's the same in some other Medevac companies) make more money than what I used to make at Encore on the Left seat. Of course it involves PerDiems, Mileage, base pay, etc... but at the end of the day take home comes back to the same and some months even higher. So... yeah... And don't get me started on Captains nowadays.
But sure, BS :D The industry has changed a lot in the last couple years.
Considering that I was a medevac capt in Alberta for several years making good money before coming here and now I'm taking home more (not much more but more) then yeah I still call BS that a 1000 hour king air fo is taking home more than an Encore capt.
I didn't say all of them made more money... But sure whatever. You guys at Encore continue protecting your amazing pay! Best in the market apparently. Better than a king air FO WOW!! Must be nice 😂 I mean good thing you are making all this extra $. How is picking up garbage by the way? When is the last time you guys got a decent profit share?
Listening to some encore guys on this forum it really sounds like you are living the dream watching everyone with a couple thousand hours bypassing you all to mainline. I hope you enjoy yyz cause you're going to be based there on the right seat of a 737 for a long long time if you ever get there.. How many times did they stop the flow in the last few years again?

To the original poster, forget all I said, DEC at Encore apparently is worth it. 7dirty7 says that you barely make more than a king air captain. 👍👍.

Grooming stopped with the new contracts at WJ/WEN. Still lots of keeners jumping up with rubber gloves on but each to their own. As long as it's not interfering with flight duties then go nuts picking crumbs off the seats if that's what you enjoy I suppose.
7dirty7's enthusiastic approach is both admiral and atypical. Most Encore guys with a couple years plus on property are ground down and past caring. Anyone who's had the chance go to AC has taken it, the rest are just treading water and waiting to see what unfolds with this cluster f*ck.
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