Handover wrote: ↑Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:30 pm
As a non expat I think what the others are saying is that we have it good Canada but our salaries could be better to match other countries with our standard of living.
There is nothing wrong with that at all.
You seem to be saying that others want to come back to Canada and earn more than Canadians. No where did I see anyone say that.
And I'm trying to explain why our incomes aren't on par with those of the rest of the world in comparison to our costs of living: we have a different labour market with different supplies and demands of pilots here. I don't think anyone would argue that it would be nice to have more money, but no one deserves
more money, and we aren't going to get any more until there's a true pilot shortage. The Canadian pilot market is oversaturated, whereas places like China and the UAE are sorely lacking in experienced pilots, and therefore they have to increase pay in order to attract foreigners to move there. The only reason most North Americans or Europeans would go there for an extended period is money, and very few foreigners stay once their financial motivations have been satisfied; most return to their home countries because they have attachments there, whether those be familial, sentimental, or tied to lifestyle. That includes Canadian pilots, who come home to a market where AC and WS can already pick and choose from a huge pool of qualified applicants who are willing to work for pretty much any amount of money, because it's still better than slogging it out in the bush for minimum wage. Those expats dilute the market further, and there's no motivation for airlines to give pilots more money as long as they can fill ground schools. There's no big mystery behind it, but so many posters here have victim complexes that it drives me nuts.
I don't think most expats want to come back and earn more than those who stayed; I've encountered a few who thought that they deserved to jump straight into the left seat at an airline ahead of all the FOs because their experience entitled them to more than bottom of the list, but most genuinely want all Canadian pilots to make more. What irritates me, and got me to post here in the first place, is the expats who are choosing to come back here, despite knowing what the market and pay are like
, and then bitching about it. They knew what they were getting into, and they chose to come back to Canada because they had some priority bigger than money, but they whine and moan anyway. They're perpetuating the problem by diluting the market, but they expect Calin Rovinescu to give them a 200% raise out of the generosity of his own heart. Employment with an airline is a business transaction that's a compromise for both parties, and neither side is going to give up more than they have to. These pilots knew the terms when they signed their contracts, but they want to have their cake and eat it too. They're the same kinds of people who take jobs with airlines, knowing that they have to wear uniforms, and then moan that they can't fly in shorts and flip flops when it's hot; they knew the conditions when they took the jobs, and if they weren't happy about it they should have kept looking elsewhere. If money is that important, stay overseas. But if they're coming back to Canada, knowing what the labour market and pay are like here, and choosing to come back anyway because they have more important priorities
, like keeping their wives happy, then they need to understand that they have no one to blame for their circumstances except themselves. That's what pisses me off: they aren't taking responsibility for their own decisions.