DOH merge.

Discuss topics related to Air Transat.

Moderators: ahramin, sky's the limit, Sulako, North Shore

Post Reply
User avatar
BTD
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1114
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:53 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by BTD » Wed May 29, 2019 8:33 pm

tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:43 pm
Some of you guys seems to think that Air Transat is a second teer company with bad conditions that was about to fall apart. I just want to educate you on some of the good things we have going for us that we're afraid to loose. Air Canada pilots salaries top about 20% higher on the 330 than AT but we are higher on the 320 (we have the same pay scale for both) . However most of the good things at AT are harder to quantify.
My French isn’t what it never was, but it looks like the AT contract distinguishes between wide and narrow body.

Just to put numbers to it for those who haven’t looked. Based on the latest contract for both companies in 2019 which are available publicly: Rounded

AC YR 12 a320 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 219.5/hr plus maybe some Nav pay.
AC YR 12 a330 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 269/hr plus Overseas 12/hr = 281/hr

AT YR 10 a320 captain rate = 203/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 205.5/hr
AT YR 10 a330 captain rate = 223/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 225.5/hr

Someone please double check me on this. And I get this is just one factor.

Btd
---------- ADS -----------
  

altiplano
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3566
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by altiplano » Wed May 29, 2019 9:20 pm

tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm
Everyone's different it's ok if you want to be just a number in a big company, I understand some want the anonymity. I like the fact that they know who I am, they don't know me because of a bad reputation, they know almost everyone. It's the same thing with the union they know almost all their members. I think that it's a more human touch. To each their own, there is not a good or bad way, just personal preferences and I prefer the Transat way.
How does that affect seniority list integration?
---------- ADS -----------
  

tintin42
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 56
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 9:06 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by tintin42 » Wed May 29, 2019 9:58 pm

BTD wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:33 pm
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:43 pm
Some of you guys seems to think that Air Transat is a second teer company with bad conditions that was about to fall apart. I just want to educate you on some of the good things we have going for us that we're afraid to loose. Air Canada pilots salaries top about 20% higher on the 330 than AT but we are higher on the 320 (we have the same pay scale for both) . However most of the good things at AT are harder to quantify.
My French isn’t what it never was, but it looks like the AT contract distinguishes between wide and narrow body.

Just to put numbers to it for those who haven’t looked. Based on the latest contract for both companies in 2019 which are available publicly: Rounded

AC YR 12 a320 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 219.5/hr plus maybe some Nav pay.
AC YR 12 a330 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 269/hr plus Overseas 12/hr = 281/hr

AT YR 10 a320 captain rate = 203/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 205.5/hr
AT YR 10 a330 captain rate = 223/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 225.5/hr

Someone please double check me on this. And I get this is just one factor.

Btd
The narrow body pay is just for B737 and they're both going away soon, The A320 pilots get paid widebody because it's the same position bid for us (320/330) and since we can go to Europe with the LR it's basically the same job. So a A320 top scale at transat is being paid 4$/h more than a AC top scale A320 capt. Our minimum guaranteed is 80h is that the same at AC?
---------- ADS -----------
  

laserstrike
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 76
Joined: Fri May 24, 2019 2:59 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by laserstrike » Wed May 29, 2019 10:01 pm

tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:58 pm
BTD wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:33 pm
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:43 pm
Some of you guys seems to think that Air Transat is a second teer company with bad conditions that was about to fall apart. I just want to educate you on some of the good things we have going for us that we're afraid to loose. Air Canada pilots salaries top about 20% higher on the 330 than AT but we are higher on the 320 (we have the same pay scale for both) . However most of the good things at AT are harder to quantify.
My French isn’t what it never was, but it looks like the AT contract distinguishes between wide and narrow body.

Just to put numbers to it for those who haven’t looked. Based on the latest contract for both companies in 2019 which are available publicly: Rounded

AC YR 12 a320 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 219.5/hr plus maybe some Nav pay.
AC YR 12 a330 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 269/hr plus Overseas 12/hr = 281/hr

AT YR 10 a320 captain rate = 203/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 205.5/hr
AT YR 10 a330 captain rate = 223/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 225.5/hr

Someone please double check me on this. And I get this is just one factor.

Btd
The narrow body pay is just for B737 and they're both going away soon, The A320 pilots get paid widebody because it's the same position bid for us (320/330) and since we can go to Europe with the LR it's basically the same job. So a A320 top scale at transat is being paid 4$/h more than a AC top scale A320 capt. Our minimum guaranteed is 80h is that the same at AC?
How many years of service do you get from the right to the left seat?
---------- ADS -----------
  

tintin42
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 56
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 9:06 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by tintin42 » Wed May 29, 2019 11:24 pm

altiplano wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:20 pm
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm
Everyone's different it's ok if you want to be just a number in a big company, I understand some want the anonymity. I like the fact that they know who I am, they don't know me because of a bad reputation, they know almost everyone. It's the same thing with the union they know almost all their members. I think that it's a more human touch. To each their own, there is not a good or bad way, just personal preferences and I prefer the Transat way.
How does that affect seniority list integration?
How does pay affect the seniority list? It's just part of the big package of pros and cons of each company and something we would loose in case of a merge.


How many years of service do you get from the right to the left seat?
[/quote]

Just one year of service get accounted for new captain pay, so you start at year 2. Right now the upgrade time is 5-6 years so it takes 14-15 years to reach top scale compared to 12 at AC. I don't know which one is the best when you consider that for the first 4 years you make more money at AT and you need more money in the beginning of your career or the probably bigger overall sum of the 14 years. Like I said it's not perfect, but not as terrible as some of you make it seems.

On that note I'll let you guys hype yourself up on the subject and try to stop commenting. There's enough uncertainty on that subject that I don't want to add the fact that it might be a bad working environment. That's the one of the most important point, it's fun to work at Transat and some of you don't seem to think about the fun factor, just the money. I think it's way more important to be happy than to make more money. I would love to fly with some of my good friends at AC, but I really hope the majority of the pilots there see us as equal.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
BTD
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1114
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 8:53 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by BTD » Thu May 30, 2019 4:59 am

tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:58 pm
BTD wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 8:33 pm
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 6:43 pm
Some of you guys seems to think that Air Transat is a second teer company with bad conditions that was about to fall apart. I just want to educate you on some of the good things we have going for us that we're afraid to loose. Air Canada pilots salaries top about 20% higher on the 330 than AT but we are higher on the 320 (we have the same pay scale for both) . However most of the good things at AT are harder to quantify.
My French isn’t what it never was, but it looks like the AT contract distinguishes between wide and narrow body.

Just to put numbers to it for those who haven’t looked. Based on the latest contract for both companies in 2019 which are available publicly: Rounded

AC YR 12 a320 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 219.5/hr plus maybe some Nav pay.
AC YR 12 a330 Captain Half Day/Night rate = 269/hr plus Overseas 12/hr = 281/hr

AT YR 10 a320 captain rate = 203/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 205.5/hr
AT YR 10 a330 captain rate = 223/hr plus 5 for night = half day/night 225.5/hr

Someone please double check me on this. And I get this is just one factor.

Btd
The narrow body pay is just for B737 and they're both going away soon, The A320 pilots get paid widebody because it's the same position bid for us (320/330) and since we can go to Europe with the LR it's basically the same job. So a A320 top scale at transat is being paid 4$/h more than a AC top scale A320 capt. Our minimum guaranteed is 80h is that the same at AC?
Thanks for filling in the blanks.

It’s just a discussion, and anything anyone can add is good info. I don’t think anyone has really put down working for AT. We are all just curious how this will go down if it does go through. I’m hopeful that we don’t screw it up.
---------- ADS -----------
  

av8ts
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 792
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:31 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by av8ts » Thu May 30, 2019 5:22 am

laserstrike wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:59 pm
Victory wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:54 pm
Air Canada is hiring close to 600 people a year at BOTL and many of them are just as experienced as the Transat pilots, or more.
Exactly.
I think your going to be very disappointed by the arbitrator
---------- ADS -----------
  

altiplano
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3566
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by altiplano » Thu May 30, 2019 6:05 am

tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:24 pm
altiplano wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:20 pm
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:52 pm
Everyone's different it's ok if you want to be just a number in a big company, I understand some want the anonymity. I like the fact that they know who I am, they don't know me because of a bad reputation, they know almost everyone. It's the same thing with the union they know almost all their members. I think that it's a more human touch. To each their own, there is not a good or bad way, just personal preferences and I prefer the Transat way.
How does that affect seniority list integration?
How does pay affect the seniority list? It's just part of the big package of pros and cons of each company and something we would loose in case of a merge.
I think you should present "fun-factor" and " human touch" as your primary seniority weighting provisions when you get in front of an arbitrator.
---------- ADS -----------
  

TSAM
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 62
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:11 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by TSAM » Thu May 30, 2019 6:57 am

altiplano wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:05 am
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:24 pm
altiplano wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 9:20 pm


How does that affect seniority list integration?
How does pay affect the seniority list? It's just part of the big package of pros and cons of each company and something we would loose in case of a merge.
I think you should present "fun-factor" and " human touch" as your primary seniority weighting provisions when you get in front of an arbitrator.
I don't think that's what tintin is getting at, and would be silly to bring up at arby's. Just stating (which I believe this was mentioned earlier in the thread), about the sacrifices being made from the TS side, just as there'll be some from the AC side. There's a reason we came and stay at TS, and most of us rather not see this merger happen either. In the end if this does go through, we just want a fair deal and to be treated fairly.

And, is it just me or does it feel like this thread is going in circles?
---------- ADS -----------
  

altiplano
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3566
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by altiplano » Thu May 30, 2019 7:15 am

TSAM wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:57 am
altiplano wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:05 am
tintin42 wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 11:24 pm


How does pay affect the seniority list? It's just part of the big package of pros and cons of each company and something we would loose in case of a merge.
I think you should present "fun-factor" and " human touch" as your primary seniority weighting provisions when you get in front of an arbitrator.
I don't think that's what tintin is getting at, and would be silly to bring up at arby's. Just stating (which I believe this was mentioned earlier in the thread), about the sacrifices being made from the TS side, just as there'll be some from the AC side. There's a reason we came and stay at TS, and most of us rather not see this merger happen either. In the end if this does go through, we just want a fair deal and to be treated fairly.

And, is it just me or does it feel like this thread is going in circles?
I was responding to that as a "big package" item he mentions on a SLI discussion.

I guess it wasn't related to SLI though.

I think everyone wants a fair deal. Ratio or DOH or BOTL aren't it though. Managing expectations...
---------- ADS -----------
  

Dockjock
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1002
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 1:46 pm
Location: south saturn delta

Re: DOH merge.

Post by Dockjock » Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 am

I would not say it is fun to work at Air Canada, as a pilot. It can be fun, at times, but for the most part it is a grind. We work very, very hard and I think this is why many focus on the money. That said, I have my life away from work and wouldn’t really want the 2,3,4-day layovers away from my family that make it fun at work. AC pilots’ CBA is part of the reason AC is very profitable; it is a hometown discount. AC pilots want to live in Canada and our collective unwillingness (and inability, due to lack of really comparable airlines) to “walk away” is reflected in our WAWCON. Regardless, I hope TS’ influence as it is incorporated into AC’s culture, will be able to bring some of that balance here. As I said, we grind. Our vacation entitlement is small, and worthless. Our schedules come out mere days before the block month starts. Reserve rules are so old they are written on stone tablets. There are going to be changes on that front soon anyway, by law, but if we can collectively use this opportunity to carry forward some of the better aspects of TS, or at least become aware of them in advance of the next opportunity to make those changes, it will be for the better.
I’m personally not thrilled by the prospect of a merger but I understand it is somewhat of a defensive move rather than the perfect fit that was pursued as a blue sky idea. I really, really hope we can get the least bad outcome and then move forward such that we’re not still talking about it 10 yrs from now.
---------- ADS -----------
  

GATRKGA
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 105
Joined: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:24 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by GATRKGA » Fri May 31, 2019 3:45 pm

Dockjock wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 am
I would not say it is fun to work at Air Canada, as a pilot. It can be fun, at times, but for the most part it is a grind. We work very, very hard and I think this is why many focus on the money. That said, I have my life away from work and wouldn’t really want the 2,3,4-day layovers away from my family that make it fun at work. AC pilots’ CBA is part of the reason AC is very profitable; it is a hometown discount. AC pilots want to live in Canada and our collective unwillingness (and inability, due to lack of really comparable airlines) to “walk away” is reflected in our WAWCON. Regardless, I hope TS’ influence as it is incorporated into AC’s culture, will be able to bring some of that balance here. As I said, we grind. Our vacation entitlement is small, and worthless. Our schedules come out mere days before the block month starts. Reserve rules are so old they are written on stone tablets. There are going to be changes on that front soon anyway, by law, but if we can collectively use this opportunity to carry forward some of the better aspects of TS, or at least become aware of them in advance of the next opportunity to make those changes, it will be for the better.
I’m personally not thrilled by the prospect of a merger but I understand it is somewhat of a defensive move rather than the perfect fit that was pursued as a blue sky idea. I really, really hope we can get the least bad outcome and then move forward such that we’re not still talking about it 10 yrs from now.
Perfect post. Thanks for truly being authentic.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Stu Pidasso
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:55 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by Stu Pidasso » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:57 am

laserstrike wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 12:57 pm


The GGN and Jazz merge isn't even close to the same thing. The contract as a whole, was to include 350+ pilots leaving to mainline before the end of the year and effectively seniority wasn't effected. GGN has something like 200 pilots.

Without the GGN pilots there wouldn't have been the 60/90% flow deal. What the AT pilots coming over brings is just more bodies integrating with zero offset of people leaving to go to the "next step." It's working so far the last few AC classes have been majority Jazz.

Literally no Jr Jazz pilot was hurt. Everyone moved up the list significantly, lots of Jr Captains gone and going to mainline, lots of new upgrades... Hundreds.

There was also the argument that both were doing exactly the same flying for the same company and both ALPA carriers.

It's not comparable.
The junior Jazz PIlot took 200 Pilots senior to them and they were NOT hurt - dream on. Secondly the fact that two merging Airlines belong to the same Association means nothing. If both AC and Transat were ALPA nothing would change, any merger language in the collective agreement isn't worth the paper it is written on. ALPA Jazz gave the Georgian PIlots a windfall gift, they were a train wreck of an Airline that should have lost their OC.
---------- ADS -----------
  

atphat
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 462
Joined: Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:01 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by atphat » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:57 pm

GATRKGA wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 3:45 pm
Dockjock wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 am
I would not say it is fun to work at Air Canada, as a pilot. It can be fun, at times, but for the most part it is a grind. We work very, very hard and I think this is why many focus on the money. That said, I have my life away from work and wouldn’t really want the 2,3,4-day layovers away from my family that make it fun at work. AC pilots’ CBA is part of the reason AC is very profitable; it is a hometown discount. AC pilots want to live in Canada and our collective unwillingness (and inability, due to lack of really comparable airlines) to “walk away” is reflected in our WAWCON. Regardless, I hope TS’ influence as it is incorporated into AC’s culture, will be able to bring some of that balance here. As I said, we grind. Our vacation entitlement is small, and worthless. Our schedules come out mere days before the block month starts. Reserve rules are so old they are written on stone tablets. There are going to be changes on that front soon anyway, by law, but if we can collectively use this opportunity to carry forward some of the better aspects of TS, or at least become aware of them in advance of the next opportunity to make those changes, it will be for the better.
I’m personally not thrilled by the prospect of a merger but I understand it is somewhat of a defensive move rather than the perfect fit that was pursued as a blue sky idea. I really, really hope we can get the least bad outcome and then move forward such that we’re not still talking about it 10 yrs from now.
Perfect post. Thanks for truly being authentic.
Lol. You mean you actually have to work for your money??

I work between 14 - 16 days a month for over 200 a year. Relatively soon I’ll work 12 - 14 days a month for over 300.

I guess it’s relative. Sure I focus on the money cause it’s the best part of my job. I don’t really consider work “fun” but I never did. Cause you know.....it’s work.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Victory
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 407
Joined: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:32 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by Victory » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:47 am

Yeah but is a day off really a day off if you spend it recovering from your work days?
---------- ADS -----------
  

Fanblade
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 863
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:50 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by Fanblade » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:23 am

Victory wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:47 am
Yeah but is a day off really a day off if you spend it recovering from your work days?
Hey Victory we actually agree on something. I group them together too. :smt040

It’s why I’d much rather work more and have less days feeling dumb tired. But that’s just me and why personally, blemishes and all, I prefer the variety AC provides.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
schnitzel2k3
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 782
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 11:17 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:54 am

Dockjock wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 am
I would not say it is fun to work at Air Canada, as a pilot. It can be fun, at times, but for the most part it is a grind. We work very, very hard and I think this is why many focus on the money. That said, I have my life away from work and wouldn’t really want the 2,3,4-day layovers away from my family that make it fun at work. AC pilots’ CBA is part of the reason AC is very profitable; it is a hometown discount. AC pilots want to live in Canada and our collective unwillingness (and inability, due to lack of really comparable airlines) to “walk away” is reflected in our WAWCON. Regardless, I hope TS’ influence as it is incorporated into AC’s culture, will be able to bring some of that balance here. As I said, we grind. Our vacation entitlement is small, and worthless. Our schedules come out mere days before the block month starts. Reserve rules are so old they are written on stone tablets. There are going to be changes on that front soon anyway, by law, but if we can collectively use this opportunity to carry forward some of the better aspects of TS, or at least become aware of them in advance of the next opportunity to make those changes, it will be for the better.
I’m personally not thrilled by the prospect of a merger but I understand it is somewhat of a defensive move rather than the perfect fit that was pursued as a blue sky idea. I really, really hope we can get the least bad outcome and then move forward such that we’re not still talking about it 10 yrs from now.
This has always been a concern for me amongst many regarding AC and why I've remained firmly on the sidelines. I grew up believing that AC was the be-all-end-all of Canadian aviation (thanks to stubborn family in the game - but that would also be pot calling the kettle...). The more you listen, the more you realize it's just another unionized shift job, with pilots and their abacus' comparing hourlys and pensions.

As an outsider, I loved traveling on TS with my family. They've always taken good care of us. My spouse loved her time there, but family took precedent. I am a little sad to hear TS potentially losing it's identity if this merger goes through.

So that being said - and sorry to all the TS pilots who were PFO'd from AC and see this as a way to get in - but I hope this deal falls through and TS remains independent and profitable.

Should that not happen, good luck to all the TS employees, it sounds like there are many at big red who would welcome you happily and I hope everyone gets an even and fair deal if and when the time comes.

S.
---------- ADS -----------
  

snowcone
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 118
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:02 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by snowcone » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am

Will Transat pilots have DOH with realestate agents when they are bought out by a realestate company?
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
ToolShed
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 43
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:58 am
Location: LINNG

Re: DOH merge.

Post by ToolShed » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 am

snowcone wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am
Will Transat pilots have DOH with realestate agents when they are bought out by a realestate company?
Maybe they’ll get to wear the old Century 21 yellow jackets from the 80’s now!
---------- ADS -----------
  

FL320
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 140
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:44 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by FL320 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:33 am

ToolShed wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 am
snowcone wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am
Will Transat pilots have DOH with realestate agents when they are bought out by a realestate company?
Maybe they’ll get to wear the old Century 21 yellow jackets from the 80’s now!
The generation Z kind of joke? :?
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
schnitzel2k3
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 782
Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 11:17 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by schnitzel2k3 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:12 am

FL320 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:33 am
ToolShed wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 am
snowcone wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am
Will Transat pilots have DOH with realestate agents when they are bought out by a realestate company?
Maybe they’ll get to wear the old Century 21 yellow jackets from the 80’s now!
The generation Z kind of joke? :?
Gen X. Gen Z was still 20 years to being born.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
WhatThe?
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 165
Joined: Mon May 23, 2005 10:42 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by WhatThe? » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:51 am

The real estate company will liquidate the airline after securing the properties. Good luck Fellow Aviators.
---------- ADS -----------
  

altiplano
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3566
Joined: Sat Jan 22, 2005 2:24 pm

Re: DOH merge.

Post by altiplano » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:29 am

WhatThe? wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:51 am
The real estate company will liquidate the airline after securing the properties. Good luck Fellow Aviators.
With QC gov. as a stake holder and in for $125 million in the proposed deal? Shutter the airline the Premier started and the jobs that do with it?

That not happening and will be a condition of their involvement, which it appears MACH needs at this juncture.

Although, I could see a joint deal formulated, where they get the QC side out of the deal and another investor comes in the $125 million then they liquidate the airline for the slots, gates, aircraft, airline specific assets, etc. - could be AC, ONEX, TUI - while MACH consortium takes the properties and an arrangement is made there on feeding the properties...

Certainly getting interesting.
---------- ADS -----------
  

BE02 Driver
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 112
Joined: Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:43 am

Re: DOH merge.

Post by BE02 Driver » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:46 am

schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:54 am
Dockjock wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 7:07 am
I would not say it is fun to work at Air Canada, as a pilot. It can be fun, at times, but for the most part it is a grind. We work very, very hard and I think this is why many focus on the money. That said, I have my life away from work and wouldn’t really want the 2,3,4-day layovers away from my family that make it fun at work. AC pilots’ CBA is part of the reason AC is very profitable; it is a hometown discount. AC pilots want to live in Canada and our collective unwillingness (and inability, due to lack of really comparable airlines) to “walk away” is reflected in our WAWCON. Regardless, I hope TS’ influence as it is incorporated into AC’s culture, will be able to bring some of that balance here. As I said, we grind. Our vacation entitlement is small, and worthless. Our schedules come out mere days before the block month starts. Reserve rules are so old they are written on stone tablets. There are going to be changes on that front soon anyway, by law, but if we can collectively use this opportunity to carry forward some of the better aspects of TS, or at least become aware of them in advance of the next opportunity to make those changes, it will be for the better.
I’m personally not thrilled by the prospect of a merger but I understand it is somewhat of a defensive move rather than the perfect fit that was pursued as a blue sky idea. I really, really hope we can get the least bad outcome and then move forward such that we’re not still talking about it 10 yrs from now.
This has always been a concern for me amongst many regarding AC and why I've remained firmly on the sidelines. I grew up believing that AC was the be-all-end-all of Canadian aviation (thanks to stubborn family in the game - but that would also be pot calling the kettle...). The more you listen, the more you realize it's just another unionized shift job, with pilots and their abacus' comparing hourlys and pensions.

As an outsider, I loved traveling on TS with my family. They've always taken good care of us. My spouse loved her time there, but family took precedent. I am a little sad to hear TS potentially losing it's identity if this merger goes through.

So that being said - and sorry to all the TS pilots who were PFO'd from AC and see this as a way to get in - but I hope this deal falls through and TS remains independent and profitable.

Should that not happen, good luck to all the TS employees, it sounds like there are many at big red who would welcome you happily and I hope everyone gets an even and fair deal if and when the time comes.

S.
Profitable?

We must be reading different financial reports.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
ToolShed
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 43
Joined: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:58 am
Location: LINNG

Re: DOH merge.

Post by ToolShed » Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:41 am

schnitzel2k3 wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:12 am
FL320 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:33 am
ToolShed wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:54 am


Maybe they’ll get to wear the old Century 21 yellow jackets from the 80’s now!
The generation Z kind of joke? :?
Gen X. Gen Z was still 20 years to being born.
https://youtu.be/CkMoAKtjsL8
---------- ADS -----------
  

Post Reply

Return to “Air Transat”