160tonoaha wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:18 am
I can’t help but to find it comical FL280 thinks TS pilots don’t bring as much to the table as they think they do.
What, as opposed to the pimple face that started flying in Seneca in 2015 on his new hire bio?
You’re getting a large demographic of experience that will just add to the integrity of our 2800 and lower seniority numbers to hopefully prevent another San Fran, or Halifax, or Rouge descending into a GPWS warning. To top it off, these guys can probably bring a different approach to culture in the work place.
But I’m sure the likes of FL280 prefers the 22 year old noob so he can tell him that flaps 1 at green dot descends the plane down better than speed brakes at 250 knots :lol
Lots of mixed opinions on this merger. Rudder, duke, and TFTMB put it best. The best outcome is to place the downside on the company and use these highly leveraged times to negotiate a great contract. All those issues altiplano speaks of disappear if your contract wasn’t so heavily dependent on the top 10-15% of the seniority list.
And when alti says things like ts pilots will enjoy a better lifestyle at AC, I highly doubt it. Those guys work an average of 100-120 days per year and maybe, just maybe crack 450 hours per year. And a lot of those work days involve 48-72 hours in amazing destinations. Hardly work. If you were to look at how they’re compensated per day or even per annum hour, they are on par, if not make more than AC. Of course, since they don’t work as hard as AC pilots, their T4 isnt as large, and the only thing that you look at as an AC Pilot is the T4 and I agree, it should be higher at TS. But it’s important to consider how much less TS pilots work for a 240k per year job after 10 years in the left seat.
What’s a 60 year old 777 captain flying per year at AC to make his retirement worthwhile? 700-800+ hours ? Makes sense why he makes 280-300k per year. It’s relative.
You speak of pension? 170% at AC, 140% at TS. Again, relative compared to the amount of work.
Hopefully we can negotiate something really good together, and open up the era of less narrow minded idiots thinking 2.5x draft is a great way to spend a career. Fuckk we are stupid.
I can't believe you toss such broad dispersions at your colleagues, generalising them as "pimple faced" newbs, unbelievable. Speaks a lot to your character...
I think you couldn't be more wrong in how you are interpreting and characterising other people's statements. You are even making up your own meanings.
I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I believe AT Pilots are generally fine Pilots and professionals. There is no doubt, and I haven't said anything other than that.
So when I say Transat isn't bringing much to AC Pilots, I don't mean the Transat Pilots themselves as individuals or professionals, I mean in this deal I don't see a growth benefit to existing Air Canada Pilots relative the negative affect of seniority loss that is likely in the SLI.
Issues I brought up do more or less disappear for the top 10-15% of the seniority list. They will be felt hardest the further down the list you go. Mid and junior seniority fucked again... no surprise there.
I did not said TS Pilots will enjoy a better lifestyle. I said the SLI will have a negative affect on most AC Pilots' lifestyle/earnings/progression. AC Pilots lose because they lose seniority without a corresponding amount of growth to offset it.
Is this difficult to understand?
I agree absolutely that we are all in it together, and need to work together undivided, come the day this all gets rubber stamped for approval. But what additional leverage do you think we have as a combined group?