I couldn't imagine wishing things like that on my colleagues at any airline.
You must have some serious personal issues you should probably step back and address. Troll feeding out.
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I couldn't imagine wishing things like that on my colleagues at any airline.
Take a look at the AS/VX award and reasons.Jean-Pierre wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:34 am Is there any American example of a flag carrier buying a low wage vacation LCC?
Stop worrying about labels. That is part of a self serving argument. Arbitrators have shown little sympathy for that.
Rudder, we more senior pilots at AC, and likely most of those forum wide really appreciate your input over the years for its very informative and non-partisan approach. This guy is obviously new, both to AC and the Forum, and clearly does not appreciate your ongoing contribution, nor the long-term respect you've earned here.
Rudder, if you had to guess, what effect would the fact the current AC pilot list is the result of a merged list that was not DOH?rudder wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:57 am DP,
I have the award but am unable to find a link on line.
Synopsis is that the 2 parties agreed in advance to methodology (since the jurisprudence was fairly well established by several preceding recent seniority integration awards) but not surprisingly could not agree on weighting within the agreed formula (despite an attempt at mediation prior to arbitration).
The two weighted considerations were ‘status’ and ‘longevity’. ‘Category’ was not relevant as both parties were just bringing NB positions to the merged entity.
AS wanted much heavier weighting on longevity. VX wanted much heavier weighting on status. Demographically the senior AS pilots had decades more longevity than the VX pilots.
I won’t get in to details of initial submissions or rebuttal briefs, but the award was weighted longevity at 60% and status at 40% in constructing the merged list. In the decision, the arbitration panel (3) also cited the relevance of career expectations. For those that follow this stuff closely the arbitrators were Horowitz, Crable, and Nolan.
The merger was conducted under the guise of the latest incarnation of the ALPA Merger Policy. It was last revised in 2009. The famous ‘factors’ list was tweaked but the policy does not give weight nor does it represent the listed factors as exclusive.
Any AC/TS Pilot should also take a look at the AA/US award. That was the integration of 2 very tenured pilot groups but 1 was bringing a very large WB fleet and one was bringing a lot smaller WB fleet (fleet equaling pilot positions).
The only identifiable trend in the last 15 years for awards is that extreme positions get ignored. Splitting the baby is rarely the outcome. Stick to the facts. The result will hurt in the short term but will not be unfair to anybody. The migration to 3 member Arbitration Panels have virtually eliminated the possibility of an obviously flawed result.
Totally agree on that one...! The Transat lifestyle is pretty hard to beat in my opinion. It's hard work for 4-5-6 months of the year and then extremely quiet during the slow season. The pay check doesn't buy you time at home nor the opportunity to take off for 4 or 5 sometime 6 weeks in a row with no flying.I don't believe that Transat Pilots have won the lottery with the merger. While Air Canada pilot are paid more, they also work more. TS pilots average 400 hours/year while AC's fly 600 to 700(rouge).