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Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by FlairAirlines » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:12 am

Flair Airlines is currently accepting applications for the following:
- First Officers in Abbotsford, BC (YXX) & Hamilton, ON (YHM).
- Direct Entry Captains in Hamilton, ON (YHM).

The anticipated start date is mid January 2018, with ground school commencing in Kelowna, BC and SIM training to follow.

Please click the link to view both postings. https://workforcenow.adp.com/jobs/apply ... ource=CC3#

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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by LCflyguy » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:11 pm

Where is 737 Sim held?
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Post by Boreas » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:43 pm

What are you guys paying?
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Post by FlairAirlines » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:37 am

SIM is usually held in Edmonton.

From start of ground school to line indoc, you can expect the process to be roughly 6-8 weeks. Salary starts on day 1 of ground school.

First year FO's start at $56k
First year Captains start at $93k

Benefits after 3 months, eligible for company contributed pension after 1 year. We do have a 2 year training bond, which is a promissory note. This means no money exchanges hands, but the amount is reduced every month worked and should you leave early, the amount outstanding would be owed. There is a staff travel program, standby for you and your immediate family plus one buddy on all Flair flights. No jumpseat agreements, yet.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to DM or give me a call (250-807-5467).
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Post by LCflyguy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:56 am

Thanks for the info
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Post by leftoftrack » Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:38 am

How much is the training bond?
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by HansDietrich » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:20 pm

It's unreal that a Low Cost Carrier pays their F/Os more than Jazz, Encore, Sky and Porter. Jesus!
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by GATRKGA » Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:36 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:20 pm
It's unreal that a Low Cost Carrier pays their F/Os more than Jazz, Encore, Sky and Porter. Jesus!
Just goes to show you how much money is being made off your back's while flying the flag.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by HansDietrich » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:34 pm

GATRKGA wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:36 pm
HansDietrich wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:20 pm
It's unreal that a Low Cost Carrier pays their F/Os more than Jazz, Encore, Sky and Porter. Jesus!
Just goes to show you how much money is being made off your back's while flying the flag.
It really is a disgrace and I'm ashamed to be one of those individuals that accepts this salary. Not for long though. I'm actively looking for better employment. This is outrageous. This is $10,000 a year more than minimum wage Tim Hortons employee make; to fly an aircraft full of people. We all deserve more. Every pilot flying for a regional carrier is at leat $20K UNDERPAID.
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Post by confusedalot » Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:31 pm

Actually, tim hortons employees make minimum wage, which comes out to about 22900 per year on a 40 hour per week shift.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by Jumbo744 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:38 am

HansDietrich wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:34 pm
GATRKGA wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 9:36 pm
HansDietrich wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:20 pm
It's unreal that a Low Cost Carrier pays their F/Os more than Jazz, Encore, Sky and Porter. Jesus!
Just goes to show you how much money is being made off your back's while flying the flag.
It really is a disgrace and I'm ashamed to be one of those individuals that accepts this salary. Not for long though. I'm actively looking for better employment. This is outrageous. This is $10,000 a year more than minimum wage Tim Hortons employee make; to fly an aircraft full of people. We all deserve more. Every pilot flying for a regional carrier is at leat $20K UNDERPAID.
Absolutely agree with you. I am also looking to quit and never fly the flag again.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by duramaxguy » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:33 pm

leftoftrack wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:38 am
How much is the training bond?


Flew with a guy recently that was offered then turned down a spot there.

He said bond was $24k...
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by SuperchargedRS » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:02 am

duramaxguy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:33 pm
leftoftrack wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:38 am
How much is the training bond?


Flew with a guy recently that was offered then turned down a spot there.

He said bond was $24k...

Which makes sense, the pay is a little low for flying a B737, so they are probably worried people are going to just get the type, enough hours on type and jump to a better paying job.

Isn't too bad if you can go direct to capt, 90k for 2 years wouldn't be the worst stepping stone.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by bcflyer » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:09 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:20 pm
It's unreal that a Low Cost Carrier pays their F/Os more than Jazz, Encore, Sky and Porter. Jesus!
Perhaps I’m missing something? Doesn’t Flair fly 737’s? I would expect them to pay more than someone flying Q400’s or Emb175’s.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by telex » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:00 am

SuperchargedRS wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:02 am
duramaxguy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:33 pm
leftoftrack wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:38 am
How much is the training bond?


Flew with a guy recently that was offered then turned down a spot there.

He said bond was $24k...

Which makes sense, the pay is a little low for flying a B737, so they are probably worried people are going to just get the type, enough hours on type and jump to a better paying job.

Isn't too bad if you can go direct to capt, 90k for 2 years wouldn't be the worst stepping stone.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=121754&p=1024274&hi ... b#p1024274

superchargedBS once advised:

"To fly a 15 MILLION USD jet with 100 people aboard, starting wage needs to be 100kUSD STARTING, and by that I mean clean per the CBA."

That is $123 311 CDN as of today. "Clean". I assume that means after tax? Over 10k a month in your pocket in Canada to fly an RJ?

But the wind must have shifted today and superchargedBS must have got swoop fever.

According to superchargedBS today one can be a 737 captain for 90k (before tax) and it's not the worst stepping stone. Isn't even too bad. Leave 66k on the table over two years and take your valuable 737 classic rating to the next high paying job. Where is that job superchargedBS?

One more piece of advice from superchargedBS:

" you lack the mental hardware to make it anyways, just put a app into Timmys now."

Wrong you are superchargedBS. My colleagues voted me sandwich artist of the month. AGAIN!
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by planett » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:43 pm

Canjet paid their new Captains $85,000 fifteen years ago, it was bad then, $90,000 is terrible now with the cost of living in those cities.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by SuperchargedRS » Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:47 am

telex wrote:
Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:00 am
SuperchargedRS wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:02 am
duramaxguy wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:33 pm




Flew with a guy recently that was offered then turned down a spot there.

He said bond was $24k...

Which makes sense, the pay is a little low for flying a B737, so they are probably worried people are going to just get the type, enough hours on type and jump to a better paying job.

Isn't too bad if you can go direct to capt, 90k for 2 years wouldn't be the worst stepping stone.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=121754&p=1024274&hi ... b#p1024274

superchargedBS once advised:

"To fly a 15 MILLION USD jet with 100 people aboard, starting wage needs to be 100kUSD STARTING, and by that I mean clean per the CBA."

That is $123 311 CDN as of today. "Clean". I assume that means after tax? Over 10k a month in your pocket in Canada to fly an RJ?

But the wind must have shifted today and superchargedBS must have got swoop fever.

According to superchargedBS today one can be a 737 captain for 90k (before tax) and it's not the worst stepping stone. Isn't even too bad. Leave 66k on the table over two years and take your valuable 737 classic rating to the next high paying job. Where is that job superchargedBS?

One more piece of advice from superchargedBS:

" you lack the mental hardware to make it anyways, just put a app into Timmys now."

Wrong you are superchargedBS. My colleagues voted me sandwich artist of the month. AGAIN!

Where you made a mistake in your analysis, is where you inserted a f' where I didn't give one.

I don't neither fly for an airline nor do I make that little.

So swoop fever? Nah bro, the job is too mindless and the pay too low for me.
I just see how people would use that as a stepping stone for a proper job and thus the reason they want to hold your money hostage to keep you from leaving.
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Accepting applications for First Officers Direct Entry Captains

Post by Tonyacheds » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:12 am

I hope those that were interested put in their applications. It closed today. For those that applied, if you have any questions about the process, PM me and I can give you some pointers. Stay safe everyone.
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by tbaylx » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:00 am

Recruitment for the Lower Mainland base and Toronto base will be ongoing throughout 2020.
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Post by GRK2 » Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:04 pm

tbaylx wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:00 am
Recruitment for the Lower Mainland base and Toronto base will be ongoing throughout 2020.
Website only mentions First Officer positions. No DEC then?
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Post by tbaylx » Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:59 pm

We're recruiting a limited amount of DEC's at the moment as well though it hasn't been officially posted.

Interested captain's can submit through the F/O link and mention it in the cover letter.
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Post by co-joe » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:07 pm

FlairAirlines wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:37 am
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First year FO's start at $56k
First year Captains start at $93k

Benefits after 3 months, eligible for company contributed pension after 1 year. We do have a 2 year training bond, which is a promissory note. This means no money exchanges hands, but the amount is reduced every month worked and should you leave early, the amount outstanding would be owed. There is a staff travel program, standby for you and your immediate family plus one buddy on all Flair flights. No jumpseat agreements, yet.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to DM or give me a call (250-807-5467).
Those numbers were for 2017, the 2020 first year pay for FO and CA is $67 K, and $114 K.

Source: Unifor 2002 Flair, Article 17.13
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Re: Accepting applications for First Officers & Direct Entry Captains

Post by bigrig » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:21 pm

Anyone know how long one might expect to be placed on reserve for (months/years)? I imagine it is a seniority based system?
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Post by tbaylx » Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:08 pm

bigrig wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:21 pm
Anyone know how long one might expect to be placed on reserve for (months/years)? I imagine it is a seniority based system?
We don't have reserve blocks. You might get a couple-4 days of reserve a month. If you don't want reserve you can bid to avoid it. The company is set to double in size over the next 8-12 months so anyone hired before spring will be relatively senior quickly.
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Post by bigrig » Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:40 pm

tbaylx wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:08 pm
bigrig wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:21 pm
Anyone know how long one might expect to be placed on reserve for (months/years)? I imagine it is a seniority based system?
We don't have reserve blocks. You might get a couple-4 days of reserve a month. If you don't want reserve you can bid to avoid it. The company is set to double in size over the next 8-12 months so anyone hired before spring will be relatively senior quickly.
I would think big expansion in YYZ but much expansion for YVR planned too?
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