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Hiring

#1 Post by Soyer » Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:11 pm

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Re: Hiring

#2 Post by Cavalier44 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:28 pm

Any current Flair pilots care to post the WAWCON for curiosity’s sake? Specifically as it relates to Direct Entry Captains. I read in a previous Flair thread that starting pay for Captains was 93k/yr, is this still the case? It seems low when you consider that Sunwing is paying their first year Captains ~106k/yr, and have basically identical experience requirements for DEC positions.
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Re: Hiring

#3 Post by tbaylx » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:28 pm

http://www.unifor2002.org/Unit-Directory/Flair-Airlines

As of 2019 its $114 an hour, or about $110K/year based on min credit for year 1 capt
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Re: Hiring

#4 Post by pacman007 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:10 pm

thats absolutely embarrassing! Capt for 114k and no future....come on guys/gals....wake up!
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Re: Hiring

#5 Post by Wacko » Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:24 pm

Ok, now I'm curious...

Just looked through the collective... salaries aside

1. You can be scheduled for 18 days a month..how many are you actually scheduled?
2. What's a typical day for a crew
3. What kind of schedule could be expected
4. Do they actually move your days off around within the month? (Mind you AC does this with grey days as well)
5. Any "accounting" issues with paychecks?

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Re: Hiring

#6 Post by altiplano » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:04 am

Do they actually move your days off around within the month? (Mind you AC does this with grey days as well)
AC can't move your days off... pay protection for cancelled or lost flying has to fall with in a window based on the original flying and when it's lost.
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Re: Hiring

#7 Post by goleafsgo » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:48 pm

Can you commute from a city that flair services (YWG)
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Re: Hiring

#8 Post by cloak » Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:25 pm

pacman007 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:10 pm
thats absolutely embarrassing! Capt for 114k and no future....come on guys/gals....wake up!
And how much is not embarrassing, and based on what comparison?
Sunwing, Transat, Swoop are all similar.
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Re: Hiring

#9 Post by telex » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:14 pm

pacman007 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:10 pm
thats absolutely embarrassing! Capt for 114k and no future....come on guys/gals....wake up!
Put up a dollar value you consider acceptable.

If you know what the job is not worth, surely you know what it is worth.
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#10 Post by Soyer » Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:54 am

1. You can be scheduled for 18 days a month..how many are you actually scheduled?

It is a max of 18 days. By the contract they can sked you to a max of 85 hours. So if you hit 85 hours in 16 days you will get the other other 15 or 14 days as GDO's. There are NO grey days! This is quite different from Sunwing etc. Also very achievable with the scheduling.

2. What's a typical day for a crew

Crew sked attempts to build longer, high credit days and is usually successful. For YYZ and YEG bases 2 day pairings are standard. For other, smaller bases, the pairings are usually mutiday. Most days earn about 6 hours credit.

3. What kind of schedule could be expected
4. Do they actually move your days off around within the month? (Mind you AC does this with grey days as well)

No. Once the schedule is published it is set. You can work on GDOs and be paid double time.

5. Any "accounting" issues with paychecks?

No. Though as they implement the new contract they have had issues calculating OT and have not paid some of it. But it is logged and will be paid. Pay deposites have never been late.
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Re: Hiring

#11 Post by Donald » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:54 pm

Given that management recently demanded a 30% pay cut from their F/A's, and they've responded with a strike/lockout scenario, I'm not sure it's a great company to be going to.
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#12 Post by Soyer » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:31 pm

Or, given that they did NOT ask for a 30% pay decrease. Instead they want to hire new FA's on a scale that matches, Swoop, Rouge etc. Current FA's keep there wages - wages that were based on a charter company years ago.
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Re: Hiring

#13 Post by Cavalier44 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:42 am

Soyer wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:31 pm
Or, given that they did NOT ask for a 30% pay decrease. Instead they want to hire new FA's on a scale that matches, Swoop, Rouge etc. Current FA's keep there wages - wages that were based on a charter company years ago.
So in essence this means the FAs are being asked to accept a B-Scale for new hires based on Swoop/Rouge rates which is 30% lower than the current pay scale? Not surprised the Flair FAs are threatening to strike.

It seems like as per the Collective Agreement, Flair pilots are seeing a substantial raise for 2018-2019. Improving working conditions for the pilot group while asking for concessions from the FAs is bound to cause some hard feelings - I’m not seeing the logic behind this.
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Re: Hiring

#14 Post by cloak » Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:59 am

It's called "market forces" and paying each employee group based on the demand and industry standards. Other airlines do it too when their pay creeps up, even Air Canada! Instead of giving everyone a pay-cut, they introduce a "market standard" rate for new hires. That is completely reasonable, otherwise the company goes bankrupt paying the inflated wages. It is a financial disadvantage to have much higher costs to competitors. Even if these groups get unionized and pay thousands in dues, the best they can hope for is "industry standard" wages comparable with competitors. Surely you can understand that. It could be viewed as problematic when senior staff within the same employee group negotiate a raise for themselves, while lowering the pay for new hires!
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