CDC release study on masks during covid. Efficacy is 0.5-1.9 percent.

[montado]

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/d2be155e ... wsource=cl

Expert is questioning if lockdown in Ontario is worth the damage it's causing. So strange to see the media allow someone to speak such a rational view.

[shimmydampner]

And the information straight from public health in Toronto.

Screenshot_20210409-154644.png

Why is it the media is screaming that ICUs are full but when you check the status, capacity is in the green.
https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19/co ... n-toronto/

Those percentages don't seem to reflect the circle graphs they are overlaying. Clearly they're moved up one to the wrong graph. It would be interesting to know what the exact value is of the top graph. If the goal is <90, it looks like it could be close.

[Aviatard]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... YEFo2goUJM
From the U.S. National Library of Medicine.

Oops ...

https://www.amgenbiotechexperience.com/ ... vXQSq97_jM

Seeing Is Not Necessarily Believing

ABE Program OfficeMonday, March 15, 2021
[...]

Recently, the article "Facemasks in the COVID-19 Era: A Health Hypothesis" by Baruch Vainshelboim was cited in a posting on the website of a small community newspaper. The writer asserts that the local supermarket no longer has the authority to enforce facemask-wearing...

Despite its official-looking source and format, this article appeared in the journal Medical Hypotheses. This journal’s purpose (according to the publisher) "is to publish interesting theoretical papers.” They go on to say that the journal will “consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed.” When you search for Medical Hypotheses on the internet, you’ll find that it is not conventionally peer-reviewed (reviewed and fact-checked by a team of experts in the field to avoid publishing misinformation). While Medical Hypotheses does have its own review system, it is “in accordance with the aims and scope of the journal, which is to publish radical new ideas” according to the editor-in-chief—meaning that it publishes work that includes plausible conjecture rather than provable fact.

[montado]

Texas update... cases still declining after two months of no mask policy. What does it take to convince the pro maskers that mask policy is ridiculous? Is two months of data not enough? Is a raging covid outbreak around the corner for Texas all because they don’t have mandatory mask policy?

3396076D-BA86-41E1-9BCF-2285ECB745FC.jpeg (339.82 KiB) Viewed 2094 times

['97 Tercel]

That graph must be fake.

[Aviatard]

Texas update... cases still declining after two months of no mask policy. What does it take to convince the pro maskers that mask policy is ridiculous? Is two months of data not enough? Is a raging covid outbreak around the corner for Texas all because they don’t have mandatory mask policy?

Could it have anything to do with the > 24 million doses of vaccine administered?

[montado]

Texas update... cases still declining after two months of no mask policy. What does it take to convince the pro maskers that mask policy is ridiculous? Is two months of data not enough? Is a raging covid outbreak around the corner for Texas all because they don’t have mandatory mask policy?

Could it have anything to do with the > 24 million doses of vaccine administered?

Ontario is only about a month behind Texas in vaccines. So if that’s the case why are we still wearing masks? Not sure what Texas vaccine numbers were at Beginning of March when they dropped the mandate.

Why can’t people just accept how useless masks have been. Every time I post the case count a new way to rationalize the data comes in. Beginning of March everyone says cases are going to explode, a month ago we didn’t have enough data and we need to wait and see. Today, now it must be the vaccine is working.

Ok well since the vaccine is working let’s end mask policy. 24 million doses means Texas hasn’t fully vaccinated even half of their population. They are not far off from us but policy wise we look far different. So what gives?

[Aviatard]

Ok well since the vaccine is working let’s end mask policy. 24 million doses means Texas hasn’t fully vaccinated even half of their population. They are not far off from us but policy wise we look far different. So what gives?

I really admire your tenacity in wanting this to be true. Gotta love a guy who won't give up no matter what.

[montado]

Like I said we are only a month behind Texas. About a month ago texas hosted the bluejays to over 40k fans. Why are we so polarized? Why do people believe in masks? Even dr. Fauci couldn’t explain Texas numbers a few weeks ago. The very man responsible to make policy and who is the expert is stumped on this one. Yet the experts here always have an answer... must be conspiracy... when Texas dropped masks they must have changed testing to make the numbers conform to what they wanted right?

It can’t be vaccines here is Texas vs Ontario. Come up with some better ideas as to why masks are important for asymptomatic people. If you really believe it’s the vaccine then as soon as we hit Texas early March vaccine numbers can we go maskless too? Can we host MLB games?

I have a pretty simple answer as to why you see very little difference with or without masks. Decades of research on masks during flu season had shown it’s pretty much inconclusive that masks make a difference. Then comes covid... so you either believe covid transmission is kind of like the flu, or somehow covid somehow is way different in the way it transmits. The flu was always wash your hands to prevent the spread. Experts are convinced with covid that surface contact is very minimal source of transmission. I have my doubts, obviously. I think it kind of spreads just like the flu.

17275B70-F230-42F8-A3A2-52674B484949.jpeg (417.55 KiB) Viewed 2003 times

D08CAE88-609B-474D-A738-A018DF1F5981.jpeg (504.06 KiB) Viewed 2003 times

88FD4DEA-B976-40A9-A2AC-5B4ABD2DE260.jpeg (1.86 MiB) Viewed 1989 times

[ReserveTank]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

[newlygrounded]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

Nothing screams stable and clam than calling your colleuges the "Aisle Donkeys"

[RRJetPilot]

Almost like a religion to some now. It can be also linked to group-think (Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome.)

[montado]

“We know from experience that the flying public is ready to adapt to new behaviors when instructions are clear and rules are enforced. Passengers learned to stop smoking, pack minimal fluids in their carry-ons, and turn off their cell phones for engine start and climb. They can readily adjust to wearing a mask if federal agencies clearly and repeatedly define both the expectation and the penalties for non-compliance.”

It makes sense though right? Apparently no one got the flu this year, and the mask is taking all the credit. Think of how many lives we could save if we all just wore masks all the time. We could also all wear helmets all the time in case we fall, or overhead luggage comes crashing down.

I envy the generations before me who were to dumb to protect themselves... Imagine flying prior to 9/11, and what the job was like. Look at us today. This is 20 years, many of you flew prior to 9/11. What will this job look like 20 years from now? I definitely see mandatory masks just becoming a permanent thing. This is the only logical way to live coming out on the other side of covid. Just like the socialists want the taxpayer or employers to fund sick days, do you think that is a temporary pandemic measure? Hell no... everyone wants paid sick days forever. All of these measures need to be permanent!

[Aviatard]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion,

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

[BTD]

“We know from experience that the flying public is ready to adapt to new behaviors when instructions are clear and rules are enforced. Passengers learned to stop smoking, pack minimal fluids in their carry-ons, and turn off their cell phones for engine start and climb. They can readily adjust to wearing a mask if federal agencies clearly and repeatedly define both the expectation and the penalties for non-compliance.”

It makes sense though right? Apparently no one got the flu this year, and the mask is taking all the credit. Think of how many lives we could save if we all just wore masks all the time. We could also all wear helmets all the time in case we fall, or overhead luggage comes crashing down.

I envy the generations before me who were to dumb to protect themselves... Imagine flying prior to 9/11, and what the job was like. Look at us today. This is 20 years, many of you flew prior to 9/11. What will this job look like 20 years from now? I definitely see mandatory masks just becoming a permanent thing. This is the only logical way to live coming out on the other side of covid. Just like the socialists want the taxpayer or employers to fund sick days, do you think that is a temporary pandemic measure? Hell no... everyone wants paid sick days forever. All of these measures need to be permanent!

I detect the sarcasm, but on a serious note, it has been known since the 40s that one type of influenza strain will basically make a previously dominant one virtually disappear. And it seems to also do the same thing with other wide spread respiratory illnesses. It is not surprising in the least that there was very little flu this year masks or otherwise, given the history of respiratory illnesses. It seems why this happens though is still a mystery. Hell, the phenomenon even has a name.

Here is the reference:

THE VANISHING TRICK
...
A mystery indeed! The phenomenon, christened the vanishing trick, has characterized most subsequent major and minor antigenic changes of influenza A virus. Strains that have been causing all the type A influenza in the world for perhaps a dozen years will vanish and next season be replaced everywhere by a novel strain. In the case of minor antigenic changes the predecessor may have been prevalent for only one or two seasons over a large part of the earth's surface before it disappears and is replaced by a new minor variant.

The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza: Edgar Hope Simpson. 1992

[ReserveTank]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion, and most of all, it is backed solely by emotional investment. Now the Aisle Donkeys Union wants to extend the mask mandate, possibly permanently. You don't need a majority agreement of the public to push the mask mandate, you only need enough highly emotional, unstable people. What better place to find this than the AFA?

Link to Congressional testimony in the site:
https://liveandletsfly.com/flight-atten ... permanent/

The argument is that it is a behavioural change akin to not smoking on an aircraft.
Time for cargo-only flights again. Send these donkeys home to graze.

Nothing screams stable and clam than calling your colleuges the "Aisle Donkeys"

Ah, I see what you did there.

[ReserveTank]

...one type of influenza strain will basically make a previously dominant one virtually disappear.

So does cable news.

[2R]

Ten years from now you will reach into an old coat and find a mask . You will chuckle to yourself and say what a weird year that was .
Then you’ll pick up your machete and continue across the wasteland , keeping to the shadows to avoid the roving gangs of cannibal raiders

[montado]

CDC is recommending to drop mask mandates for those vaccinated.

I found this interesting

One caveat to note: People with compromised immune systems should consult with their doctor before going without a mask, even if fully vaccinated, the CDC said.

Wait? What? I thought we all wore masks not to protect us, but to protect other people. What efficacy does a mask have for these people to wear it as PPE?

Can you smell bullshit? I have heard that line a thousand times that cloth masks don't protect the wearer. Yet if you are immune compromised... Yeah okay. let's just make someone keep wearing masks to make it see relevant.

[sstaurus]

Masking is not about science. It's about control, coercion,

Who is controlling us? Are they in the room right now? Can you see them?

As he types on his iphone which is on 24/7, "researching" on google, using quotation marks around "so-called" "experts"...