Who can give you a float rating?

[beaverbob]

I have done a half dozen float ratings. I sent in the forms and TC never questioned anything. Never asked for the insurance.
Bob

[Kdevine]

who can sign off my float rating?

Any Authorized Person at any FTU can do it. I did it for years, for free.

Whether or not they will or not, is another question.

Hell, if you're in eastern ontario, give me a holler.

Hello Colonel Sanders,

This is a long shot, but I just finished my PPL and came across this forum looking into getting my float raiting. I am also in eastern Ontario. Would it ve possible to speak with you

Thanks,
Kieran

[Freetime]

If an aircraft owner meets the requirements to provide instruction for a float rating can they charge money for the instruction?

[Bede]

If an aircraft owner meets the requirements to provide instruction for a float rating can they charge money for the instruction?

No. Need FTUOC.

406.03 (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), no person shall operate a flight training service in Canada using an aeroplane or helicopter in Canada unless the person holds a flight training unit operator certificate that authorizes the person to operate the service and complies with the conditions and operations specifications set out in the certificate.

(2) A person who does not hold a flight training unit operator certificate may operate a flight training service if

(a) the person holds a private operator registration document or an air operator certificate, the aircraft used for training — in the case of the holder of an air operator certificate — is specified in the air operator certificate, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational, a private pilot licence, a commercial pilot licence or a flight instructor rating; or

(b) the trainee is

(i) the owner, or a member of the family of the owner, of the aircraft used for training,

(ii) a director of a corporation that owns the aircraft used for training, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence, or

(iii) using an aircraft that has been obtained from a person who is at arm’s length from the flight instructor, and the training is other than toward obtaining a pilot permit — recreational or a private pilot licence.

(3) In the case of flight training conducted under subparagraph (2)(b)(iii), the flight instructor shall

(a) notify the Minister in writing of

(i) the name and address of the person to receive the training,

(ii) the registration of the aircraft to be used,

(iii) the type of training to be conducted,

(iv) the location of the training operations, and

(v) the name and licence number of the flight instructor; and

(b) provide the information to the Minister

(i) prior to commencing training operations,

(ii) within 10 working days after any change to the information, and

(iii) when the training is discontinued.

[photofly]

If an aircraft owner meets the requirements to provide instruction for a float rating can they charge money for the instruction?

No. Need FTUOC.

To reduce the possible ambiguity in Bede’s correct answer, yes, they can charge money for the instruction as long as they use an airplane provided at arm’s length, but they can’t provide training - for money, or for free - in the airplane that they own.

The restriction doesn’t depend on being paid, using their own airplane isn’t permitted either way. But in someone else’s plane, sure, charge what you can get.

[mmm..bacon]

So if a pilot friend comes to me, the owner of, say, a 180 on floats, and asks, "I'm going to buy a 180 also. Can you give me a float rating on your plane, please?" and my reply is "sure, you pay for the gas, and the beer afterwards!" then that violates 406.03?

[digits_]

So if a pilot friend comes to me, the owner of, say, a 180 on floats, and asks, "I'm going to buy a 180 also. Can you give me a float rating on your plane, please?" and my reply is "sure, you pay for the gas, and the beer afterwards!" then that violates 406.03?

Yes.

[scdriver]

If an aircraft owner meets the requirements to provide instruction for a float rating can they charge money for the instruction?

No. Need FTUOC.

To reduce the possible ambiguity in Bede’s correct answer, yes, they can charge money for the instruction as long as they use an airplane provided at arm’s length, but they can’t provide training - for money, or for free - in the airplane that they own.

The restriction doesn’t depend on being paid, using their own airplane isn’t permitted either way. But in someone else’s plane, sure, charge what you can get.

Strictly speaking an FTUOC isn’t required if the owner simply holds an AOC but I don’t think thats the case here.

[Bede]

^ that's true. The other exception is if you do a float rating for someone and don't charge them anything (act of charity).

[photofly]

How is that legal?

Oh - because if it's not for reward, it's not a commercial air service, therefore it isn't a flight training service, so none of the 40x rules apply.

I guess that means this:

To reduce the possible ambiguity in Bede’s correct answer, yes, they can charge money for the instruction as long as they use an airplane provided at arm’s length, but they can’t provide training - for money, or for free - in the airplane that they own.

is wrong.

You can train someone in your own plane, completely for free, as Bede says. But according to the Aeronautics Act, "hire and reward" means "any payment, consideration, gratuity or benefit, directly or indirectly charged, demanded, received or collected by any person for the use of an aircraft" so they can't even pay for the gas.