Wilderness North Air Tractor

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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Oil Burner » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:10 pm

I think they are looking for camp workers who want to fly part-time :roll:
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by MAD DOGGY » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:47 am

There are two companies in NW ontario operating them. One outta Red Lake and the other outta Pickle Lake. They are from two seperate companies that are also competing with the Hawkers. They mostly fly to Sandy Lake, North Spirit and Lansdowne House.The longer trips are still owned by Wasaya plus they have the Weibenville strip. They take more than 5mins. to fill, but about 10mins. to drain with a pump they carry in a small cargo are under the pilot section of the fuselage. Looks like fun to fly!
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by ODA » Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:02 pm

So it hauls 4000 litres of fuel and how much a mile does it cost? Can it go on floats and haul fuel?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by rum-runner » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:34 pm

ODA wrote:So it hauls 4000 litres of fuel and how much a mile does it cost? Can it go on floats and haul fuel?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Liquid Charlie » Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:48 pm

My only comment is why are they using an airplane that hauls so little - Oh ya -- the ontario gov in their wisdom build 3500' strips -- damn u think it would make more sense to haul 25000 ltrs at time -- add 1000' to those runways and no one would ever worry about running out of fuel.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by carholme » Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:17 pm

I'm still waiting to see what you guys think of the night VFR in that part of the country.

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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by rum-runner » Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:12 pm

Liquid Charlie wrote:My only comment is why are they using an airplane that hauls so little - Oh ya -- the ontario gov in their wisdom build 3500' strips -- damn u think it would make more sense to haul 25000 ltrs at time -- add 1000' to those runways and no one would ever worry about running out of fuel.
What aircraft are you using for fuel hauls? 25000 ltrs is 5500 gallons that is a pretty
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Liquid Charlie » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:24 am

Pretty good indeed and with a 4in hose can be unloaded in 17 minutes :mrgreen:
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Fuel Boss Hog » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:32 pm

The interesting thing is that they are going to operate day and night VFR to northern reserves. The night VFR should prove to be quite interesting. Would be interested to see how many takers there will be for the night trips.

http://www.airtractor.com/at-802-bulk-fuel-tanker

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They have 3 "takers".....it's an awesome position and aircraft.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Cat Driver » Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:05 pm

What does it have for instrumentation?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Rudder Bug » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:41 pm

But why at night? I know there are takers but ,hey, that's a single on wheels if I understand right. Who's poor enough to make a living out of flying a single, non-factory made, night VFR in NWO, and loaded like a mule with fuel? I know, a turbine never fails but I'd chicken out.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by bandit1 » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:44 am

It's not a job for everyone but it ain't worse than the boys flying DC-3's 24/7 all over the place at night.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Cat Driver » Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:53 am

It's not a job for everyone but it ain't worse than the boys flying DC-3's 24/7 all over the place at night.
I can remember losing an engine a couple of times at night in a DC3 and the other one got me to an airport.

I wonder if it would have been worse if I didn't have that other engine?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by nacho » Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:40 pm

I went for an interview and was offered the job, but I didn´t think there was enough money in it for the risk envolved as they don´t have a dump handle anymore. the mods include a jettison system and it takes too long in my opinion. they can haul 1000 gallons.
That is the reason why they dont have the Transland gate anymore

I just delivered a Thrush here in Argentina and was always carrying a full hopper of jet(500 gallons) BUT you bet my dump handle was in good working order !!

Landing one of these with a full load is not a big deal, but one needs a bit of practice.(and power !!)

If you loose it on take off or landing and need to dump, you ae pretty much fu$%ed.

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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by kingeddie » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:32 pm

Many OCs have the OPS Spec for night VFR under aerial work , The question is are they actually using it? I fly single engine night VFR in NW Ont all the time no big deal if you are trained and capable and the aircraft is equipped .. However we must hold a valid IFR to do so (company rule) . 90 percent of the time truthfully you are IFR . Not something a newbie would want to do . In the summer its light until 11 at times and unless they are double crewed that doesn't leave alot of night to fly in .

Feel free to freak out about night VFR now
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Cat Driver » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:18 pm

Feel free to freak out about night VFR now
Why would I freak out about you flying single engine night?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by rum-runner » Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:20 pm

So, a few seasons have gone by. Has anyone heard how the AT802 is making out hauling fuel.

Have they been operating at night? There were a few comments on this thread insinuating that single/night/vfr was not really a smart thing to do.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by jamesbay » Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:06 pm

There are 2 802's flying out of Nakina, 1 is a tandem config and the other is a single seat I believe, they have been going at it for a few months now I think. They are hauling in the ballpark of 800 gallons a pop.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by kingeddie » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:15 pm

I was in YRL for a couple of weeks this winter in Feb and the 2 wilderness 802's were going non stop .
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by tiny » Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:13 pm

Maybe I'm just green... if your flying single engine VFR and the engine stops you hit the trees regardless of how bright and sunny it is. Also its not really any harder to navigate with one engine so the chances of getting lost are not less than a twin. So basically what is so unnerving about single engine night VFR?

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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Chuck Ellsworth » Wed Mar 11, 2009 5:30 pm

if your flying single engine VFR and the engine stops you hit the trees regardless of how bright and sunny it is.
There is your answer in red buttercup.

In the dark you can't see the trees.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Nephilim » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:09 pm

Chuck, your sense of humour still makes me laugh.

Nacho, you were never offered the job. And the emergency dump handle evacuates 80% of the load in seven seconds.

That are great to fly at night. Full IFR panel with dual GPS coupled to the auto pilot. The aircraft are not certified for IFR but the pilots are. Best job I've ever had! Except for putting up with assholes like "the champ."

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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Chuck Ellsworth » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:23 pm

For sure if I ever had to land an airplane anywhere that was less than ideal after an engine failure give me an Ag. plane any day because they are built to protect the pilot in a crash.
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by Chuck Ellsworth » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:32 pm

Except for putting up with assholes like "the champ."
Who is this local hero that is so often mentioned in this forum?

Is he an icon in aviation that bush pilots want to emulate?
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Re: Wilderness North Air Tractor

Post by nacho » Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:40 am

Nephilim wrote:Chuck, your sense of humour still makes me laugh.

Nacho, you were never offered the job. And the emergency dump handle evacuates 80% of the load in seven seconds.

That are great to fly at night. Full IFR panel with dual GPS coupled to the auto pilot. The aircraft are not certified for IFR but the pilots are. Best job I've ever had! Except for putting up with assholes like "the champ."

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I don't know who are you unless you are the same guy that picked me up at the airport in Thunder Bay that day I went to check things out. If you are maybe we spoke two different kinds of Enlgish. ( I wonder how we got to talk about money if that didn't happen)
And FYI 7 seconds to dump is still an eternity!! I was told by the CP(or you if you are the same guy) more than that, at the time it was called a jettison valve, and it's not the same thing.( as a Transland or Airt Tractor fire gate) I hope you never have to dump or jettison during takeoff and it takes that kind of time.

We fly ours here in Argentina at night as well with less instruments than you have, spraying mind you, so no big deal there.

To make it clear to you my comment was not to put things down were you work, I stated some facts and opinions, and I wil say again, If I am carrying fuel in the hopper , which I do when a ferry, I want rid of it in 2 seconds if the shit hits the fan. And If I was to take a job with some degree of risk, which I do, I want to get paid for it very well!

Good luck to you on your job!

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