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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#101 Post by iflyforpie » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:59 am

sky's the limit wrote:I always said the same thing, "I'd love a wide angle, but for the money...." Now I find some of my best shots of any given trip are from the 14-24.....

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It's funny because I am thinking the same thing. Unfortunately my DX Frame will make it harder for me to get a wide angle, so I am going to go telephoto for my first add on (300mm effective for 200mm price!).

Hopefully I will get some pictures on here soon, but I'm just playing right now...
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#102 Post by Dust Devil » Wed Mar 03, 2010 11:04 pm

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sky's the limit wrote:I always said the same thing, "I'd love a wide angle, but for the money...." Now I find some of my best shots of any given trip are from the 14-24.....

stl
It's funny because I am thinking the same thing. Unfortunately my DX Frame will make it harder for me to get a wide angle, so I am going to go telephoto for my first add on (300mm effective for 200mm price!).

Hopefully I will get some pictures on here soon, but I'm just playing right now...
Keep in mind if you go wide angle and have the need for on camera flash you will have to get an external speed light in order to avoid the shadow cast from the lens showing up in your shot from the built in flash. The external flash (that attaches to the hot shoe) will lift the flash up high enough so it doesn't cause the lens to cast a shadow in your picture.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#103 Post by Rowdy » Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:30 pm

Any of the canon folk care to point me in the direction of a solid portrait lens??
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#104 Post by duramaxguy » Wed Apr 07, 2010 11:51 pm

wow just discovered this great thread!!! lots of good info.

I just made the upgrade from my old pentax optio W10 point and shoot to a Pentax K-x DSLR. Cant wait to start shooting!



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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#105 Post by atpl53 » Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:36 am

Rowdy wrote:Any of the canon folk care to point me in the direction of a solid portrait lens??
When taking pictures of people, you don't want to be too close to them. Getting too close results in a perspective that exaggerates noses and other body parts. Staying out of their personal space is also a concern. An uncomfortable subject will not likely photograph well.

On the other hand, you don't want to be too far from your subject. You want to be able to communicate freely (without needing a cell phone, two-way radio or a megaphone). You may also have other obstacles preventing you from backing up (such as a wall). Moving back too far can result in a featureless compression of the subject.

Conventional teaching is that the 85-135mm focal length range is ideal for portrait photography (field of view crop factor included). I generally agree with this teaching. I will often use a wider focal length for full body portraits and group pictures and a longer focal length range for tighter-framed portraits such as head shots.

Unless you are using a backdrop, you will probably want to blur the Background. A wide aperture and/or a long focal length makes this possible. Wide maximum apertures also make low available light portrait photography possible.

My personal favorite portrait lens is the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II USM Lens. It is sharp, versatile, fast focusing, and has excellent background blur quality. It is not inexpensive or light. Image stabilization allows indoor available light shooting with this lens. Some may find the 70-200mm focal length range a bit long but I personally would rather have a slightly long focal length range than a slightly short one.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#106 Post by sky's the limit » Thu Apr 08, 2010 8:11 am

atpl53 wrote:
Rowdy wrote: My personal favorite portrait lens is the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8 L IS II USM Lens. It is sharp, versatile, fast focusing, and has excellent background blur quality. It is not inexpensive or light. Image stabilization allows indoor available light shooting with this lens. Some may find the 70-200mm focal length range a bit long but I personally would rather have a slightly long focal length range than a slightly short one.
When I still had my Canon gear, that was my favourite lens too. Now it's the Nikkor version of the same.

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This is one from that lens, in N. Vietnam a few years ago when my wife was working there.

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#107 Post by Rowdy » Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:18 pm

Ahh Good info :) thanks a ton guys.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#108 Post by northern33 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:49 pm

Here's an odd question for you...

A busy winter has prevented me from making an upgrade on my camera (currently using a Canon Xsi). STL had me convinced on the Nikon with some good glass, but just didn't have time to do it! Have short listed the new one to either a Nikon d3s, Nikon d700 or a Canon 5d mkII, . It's Nikon all the way for the superior job they do on portraits. Not sure if it's the facial recognition they have, but from some of the shots I have seen personally, they do a better job than Canon. I have 4 kids, so I have lots and lots of opportunities and requests to capture the 'kodak-moment'. The Nikon seems to win on this one. However, the Canon has me re-thinking my purchase with their 1080p video.

You see, then I wouldn't have to carry around a video camera for those moments that stills just can't capture. I know the video is restricted to 4mb, but most of my video is likely only that long anyway for the moment. Canon shoots 1080p and the 3Ds shoots 720p. Not sure if the potential rolling shutter effect negates the usefullness of the video on either. Incidentally I just read that the last episode of House was shot entirely using the Canon 5d...

So then I am either jumping past the d700 to the d3s just cause of video, or picking up the Canon 5d.

Love to hear some opinions. I don't have enough equipment to stay brand loyal to Canon, so it really just comes down to the best solution. Most of my stuff is getting pics of the kids. This includes portraits, just goofing around and some sports.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#109 Post by northern33 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:33 pm

Made the plunge with the Nikon D700. I realized that the video on Canon and Nikon isn't quite as simple as the handycams yet. Also picked up a 50mm F1.4 and 70mm-200m F2.8 AF-S lenses.

Can't wait to see the difference in the full frame sensor.
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#110 Post by iflyforpie » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:08 pm

I found the video on my D5000 disappointing, even worse than my old Sony DSC-V1.

It is 1080p and 25 FPS (most Canons only do 20 FPS and my Sony only did 15), but because the focal-plane shutter is incapable of these frame rates, the exposure is done digitally. This means props turn into venetian blinds and there is quite a bit of distortion when panning (a la cheap cell-phone video).

Good for in a pinch videography, but no replacement for a video camera...

As much as people pooh pooh the live view, I find it really good for pin-sharp manual focus by using the live view zoom.

As far as point and shoot, 100% satisfied with the Nikon. I gave up Canon because I was sick and tired of them spending forever to make up their minds to take a picture...
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#111 Post by northern33 » Mon Apr 19, 2010 1:45 pm

Thanks, that was what I was afraid of. Someday they will get it right and we won't have to carry around two cameras!
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#112 Post by Mapleflt » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:16 pm

At the risk of insulting STL and the many other amazing photographers in this forum; the pictures are spectacular, I am looking for advice on a "point and shoot" camera. You know, a drop it in the bottom of the flight bag kind of one. The last camera I purchased was an Olympus OM-2, it did have an autowinder!!!! Please help a photo-challenged pilot to join the digital era.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#113 Post by Slats » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:53 pm

The girlfriend got me an Olympus Stylus Tough 8000 for Christmas and it is a great little point and shoot. 12 megapixels, waterproof, shockproof. Goes everywhere with me; I love it. Takes a lot more pictures than the D80 these days.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#114 Post by enbt » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:03 pm

MapleFlag wrote:At the risk of insulting STL and the many other amazing photographers in this forum; the pictures are spectacular, I am looking for advice on a "point and shoot" camera. You know, a drop it in the bottom of the flight bag kind of one. The last camera I purchased was an Olympus OM-2, it did have an autowinder!!!! Please help a photo-challenged pilot to join the digital era.
I picked up a Canon powershot G11 for that purpose. A point and shoot can't be beat for convenience, you can take it everywhere unlike a SLR which I would bring only if I knew there was going to get a chance to use it. Missed out on a lot of good shots that way. The only downsides I find with point and shoots is they are slow to respond (not good for action shots) and sometimes have focus issues especially with any sort of backlighting. Still for what you describe it's the way to go.
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#115 Post by Dust Devil » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:07 pm

enbt wrote:
MapleFlag wrote:At the risk of insulting STL and the many other amazing photographers in this forum; the pictures are spectacular, I am looking for advice on a "point and shoot" camera. You know, a drop it in the bottom of the flight bag kind of one. The last camera I purchased was an Olympus OM-2, it did have an autowinder!!!! Please help a photo-challenged pilot to join the digital era.
I picked up a Canon powershot G11 for that purpose. A point and shoot can't be beat for convenience, you can take it everywhere unlike a SLR which I would bring only if I knew there was going to get a chance to use it. Missed out on a lot of good shots that way. The only downsides I find with point and shoots is they are slow to respond (not good for action shots) and sometimes have focus issues especially with any sort of backlighting. Still for what you describe it's the way to go.
You happy with the G11? I was kicking around the idea of getting one.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#116 Post by enbt » Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:28 pm

Yeah, very much. Like I say I find it slow to respond but that's just because I'm used to an SLR with almost no shutter lag or delay between shots. The things that sold me on it were that it shoots raw and I could attach filters to it. It has quite a lot of features some of which my SLR doesn't even have and some of which I didn't think would be useful. The swivel screen for example is handy in a lot of situations. It's got a fantastic macro mode. The face detect timer mode works well. Generally it's well laid out with the program, exposure compensation and ISO all having dedicated dials on top. There are a few buttons on the back that are right where your palm normally rests when you hold it, so it's really easy to hit those accidentally which drives me bonkers, but other than that it's got a real good, solid feel to it. It would be nice if the zoom had a bit more range too it's 28-140mm equivalent I believe.
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#117 Post by iflyforpie » Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:02 pm

I don't know if any current point and shoots have a manual focus option but that is what I used on my Sony to get rid of focus lag. Pretty much everything related to aviation can be shot at infinity.

What I used to do with my Minolta XG-1 (still have it) at airshows was set infinity on the manual focus to one side of the depth of field range for the aperture I was using (fancy for 1978 with aperture priority and 2 fps external autowinder :D ). I wouldn't touch the focus ring for the entire show. Sure wish there were numbers on my Nikon lens that would let me do this so I could hand bomb it. Every so often in the plane I will get a bug smash or perspex reflection that confuses the focus and ruins the shot.

Another advantage of point and shoots is most have higher sync shutter speeds. Focal plane shutters on DSLRs can only be totally open for 1/250 to 1/500 of a second where smaller leaf shutters in point and shoots can go up to 1/1000. At higher speeds than the sync speed, the focal plane shutter lets light in through a small slit that forms from the rear curtain closing right behind the opening front curtain. Things that are moving at high speeds are exposed at different times (at the sync speed of the shutter), causing distortion like this...

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This is one of the reasons why STL says helicopters look best at 1/125... But if you truly want to freeze action, the DSLR is at a bit of a disadvantage...
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#118 Post by enbt » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:07 am

Interesting info about the different shutters.

The G11 has manual focus.
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#119 Post by Prairie Chicken » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:13 am

Try to find a point 'n shoot with a viewfinder ... most screens are impossible to use in bright sunlight.
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#120 Post by Fling Wing » Thu May 27, 2010 4:17 pm

Wondering what would be recommended as a good intro SLR. $500 or less would be the limit. I'm kind of looking at the Nikon D50, but wonder if that older technology is any better then a $400-$500 point and shoot these days. I like the fact that most point and shoots now have HD video capability, and like said are easy to slip in the pocket, but I'd like to have more control over settings than just the ISO, and zoom.
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#121 Post by Truckpilot » Thu May 27, 2010 6:13 pm

For all you Nikon shooters out there, check out" www.nikon-digital.ca", a Canadian site where loads of advice can be found from some pretty talented folks. We're also friendly...
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#122 Post by Slats » Fri May 28, 2010 1:16 pm

Fling Wing wrote:I'm kind of looking at the Nikon D50, but wonder if that older technology is any better then a $400-$500 point and shoot these days.
In my opinion yes, for the simple reason that I feel that the glass hanging off the front of the camera has more to do with quality of shots than the fancy bells and whistles. My 10 megapixel D80 takes better quality shots than my 12 megapixel point and shoot, even with relatively cheap lenses. The point and shoot is great for capturing spur-of-the-moment shots, but I always reach for the D80 when taking "serious" or "artistic" shots. I think you would find that even the "older technology" D50 paired with decent lenses will outperform any point and shoot for serious photography.
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#123 Post by Prairie Chicken » Mon May 31, 2010 3:50 am

I'm with Slats. If you have any interest in creative photography at all, an SLR is the only way to go! An SLR & associated lenses is something you grow with. Choose your camera maker carefully, as those lenses you buy today as part of your $500 will likely still be with you in 10 years or more even though you may change out the body at some point. When choosing the body, handle it. How it feels in your hand, & how comfortable you feel with the controls is an important factor.

I'm a Nikon person too; you can't go wrong with Nikon.
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#124 Post by Fling Wing » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:37 pm

Ok, thanks for the advice slats and prairie chicken, SLR it is... when I raise some money.
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Re: Photography Questions and Tips

#125 Post by squirrely » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:03 pm

Hello Everyone!

Does anyone have "gently used" equipment their looking to sell? I'm wanting to buy my first DSLR without breaking the bank. Any general advice you could offer me would also be appreciated.

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