Payload C 180

[Scandinaviansky]

Hi!

How much payload do I have with a ´55 0-470 C 180 on EDO 2870 straight floats?

How much fuel can I take with 3 adult pax, no luggage?

Thanks!

Daniel

[tigerwoods]

Maybe try the POH

[Scandinaviansky]

I wouldn´t ask if i had one available

[Cat Driver]

That is typical of a lot of posters here Scandinaviansky.

But what goes around usually comes around.

[Bede]

900-1000 lbs I think.

A POH is useless since every airplane is different. The best way is to look for a plane for sale and get the info from the seller.

http://www.globalair.com/aircraft_for_s ... 64853.html

[black hole]

Just from memory. I think the empty weight if roughly 1900 lbs and the Gross is 2750.This varies.A stating point-----go from there.

BH

[trey kule]

Many many years ago, i flew a straight tailed 180 configured as you mentioned.
With three pax(two fishermen and a guide,) and a day box i could put in about 1/2 tanks...25 gals.
Enough for a couple of take offs and about a hours flying with reserves,
She was not very happy taking off on hot days with no wind.CHTs getting very close to max if a longer initial climb out was required.
One pax, lots of gear, and a canoe on the side...but you had to watch the temps.

The old girl had a really strong engine and a bush seat. (Light empty weight, but I dont recall the actual.Actually the only 180 engine that I knew of, that at TBO did not leak a drop of oil, used very little, and had excellent leak test ?

The later 180s (look like 185s), do not perform anywhere near as well. Different wing and underpowered, even with the 260 horses...but more room.

Hope this helps a bit

FWIW.. The old straight tails are far nicer to fly than the 180/185 airframes. Closer to a little beaver.
I am envious.

[624]

Empty weight around 1800lbs and up. Gross weight is 2820. 3 passengers and full fuel is no problem under most circumstances. If you are taking off from a small lake at 4700 ft asl at +30C in a narrowish dead end canyon with light winds coming from the dead end of the the canyon, then you might want to make 2 trips.

This is based on 4 adult at 165 lbs each and 360 lbs of fuel.

[trey kule]

Your empty weight is very generous....and i guess my math is bad, but four adult males, and full fuel of 300 pounds , plus about 50 pounds or so of fishing gear seems a bit more than the plane can carry.read that as "should".. Never tried to impress people by making claims of what it "could" carry. Your reference to an average male weight of 165 pounds is interesting though. Where did you come up with that figure for an average male? I always figured about 200 pounds, and when we did get near a scale that pretty much worked out.
As to your reference about high temp, dead end canyons. Flew the little rascals about 500 or 600 hours on floats..dont recall such an extreme situation (close a couple of times), but I do recall the cyl head temps not being happy when the OAT was in the thirty range lots of times..particularly with a canoe strapped on the side. I suppose you are much more current than me on type.
To the original poster. I would think the 800/900 pound useful load is fairly close for the typical one on those floats. You can figure out what load that will allow...and I guess stay out of dead end canyons on short lakes at high temps and elevations..that definitely seemed like experience talking

[sheephunter]

'56 / wing-x and 2700's is 2158 & 2950 = 792. You'll be at least a couple hundred pounds lighter but might only have 2850 gross. Not too happy either being full, hot & glassy. 50F and any amount of wind on the nose makes it smile. Yup, 200 pounds is what I figure and that's usually a bit on the light side especially with hunters who seem to be bigger than fisherman on the average.

[624]

Empty weight around 1800lbs and up. Gross weight is 2820. 3 passengers and full fuel is no problem under most circumstances. If you are taking off from a small lake at 4700 ft asl at +30C in a narrowish dead end canyon with light winds coming from the dead end of the the canyon, then you might want to make 2 trips.

This is based on 4 adult at 165 lbs each and 360 lbs of fuel.

165 lb adult was sort of meant as a joke, that's why the smile. I guess I should of said at gross weight you can usually get off under normal circumstances. I would suggest you check the weight and balance of the 180 you plan to fly to find out the exact figures. That's the only way to know for sure. And 200 lbs. is definitely a number I would use as well.

[Antique Pilot]

My 1961 Cessna 180 has an empty weight of 1986 on floats. I have the original back seat, too many radios, and Monarch long range tanks. With full mains of 52 Imp gals and after I get in my payload is 264 pounds. I weigh 180 pounds. If I fill up completely it holds 82 Imp gals or 590 pounds of fuel. Then I have room for 48 pounds after I get in. But it still performs very well at MTOW.

A friend has a 55 180 and his empty weight is about 150 pounds less than mine. I was told years ago to avoid long hot take-offs with the J engine. The cylinders don't have the same cooling fins as later engines.

AP

[624]

I found a weight and balance report from a 1955 C180 on edo2870's that I weighed 3 yrs ago. Empty weight was 1965 lbs.
From the type certificate: max weight on edo2870 floats is 2820. Fuel capacity:60 gallons total. Hope this helps.

[letsfly]

My 1959 C-180 emptie weight is 1865. Gross on floats is 2850. On wheels is 2650.
0-470= 230HP Fuel burn is HP divide by 20 = 11.5 GPH
I have the Dodge Rear Seats performs well full gross if mornings are cool. Hot days I elect less weight.
Overall for the aircraft size it is a great performer, one of the best private workhorse out there!

[624]

letsfly, are you on amphibs or strait floats?

[CamAero]

Letsfly must be on straight 2870s. The 2790s (amphibs) would be notably heavier and he's listing a 100 LBS BEW less than me.

I'd be interested to hear letsfly's BEW on straight wheels. I know the 2960s are a bit heavier than 2870s but I would not have thought 100 LBS worth.

I'm a 1957 180A on 2960s.

The 2960's weight, including rigging (and ventral fin, required component in the 2960 LSTC), is listed at 425 LBS.

The BEW on wheels is 1644 LBS.

With the wheels removed (104 LBS), and the floats installed, that brings the BEW to 1965 LBS.

The Gross is 2820, giving a useful load of 855 LBS.

My aircraft is otherwise super-basic. No mods, no kits, no radios, light rear bush seat, no long range tanks, 82" prop.

CA

[sheephunter]

Just looked up my 56 after the wing-x installed shows Empty Weigth @ 1722 and Gross @ 2950 = 1228 useful. Now it is on Edo 2700 and listed as shown above 2158 and 2950 = 792 So, according to the paperwork I have the 2700's are 436 lbs and my empty weight is 78 lbs heavier than CA's '57 but it did have the bigh bulky back seat and now 1 bush seat. Has a bunch of extra things stuffed in the panel that I've been meaning to take out. I'm waiting to see what the straight 2870 come out listed at and how much lighter they are than the amphibs? Thinking how nice it is to fly light, makes me think that it has to be fun on wheels..... tundra tires!

[Scandinaviansky]

Thanks a lot guys!!

[CamAero]

Sheephunter, are 2700s basically 2870s with amphib gear while 2790s are basically 2960s with amphib gear?

I just don't know sfa about amphib floats but am surprised to see your floats listed only 11 lbs heavier than mine..

Aye-carumba... !

I am not sure where my weights came from, if they are from a type cert or if the components were weighed.

I also don't have enough experience working other 180s to compare how mine performs. I think its just great, but who knows, maybe its a complete dog....

CA

[sheephunter]

are 2700s basically 2870s with amphib gear while 2790s are basically 2960s with amphib gear?

Yes, from what I know which might be SFA as well.

I am not sure where my weights came from, if they are from a type cert or if the components were weighed.

I also don't have enough experience working other 180s to compare how mine performs. I think its just great, but who knows, maybe its a complete dog....

Same for me. That why anything that comes up about 180's intrigues me.