External loads...canoes...any photos?

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External loads...canoes...any photos?

#1 Post by ross1 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:38 pm

Hello all...didn't want to hijack the two ongoing threads with this request.

For my own use, as reference for my artwork , I'm hoping to find photos of various external loads on various aircraft...
in particular though, canoes on Norsemans, Beavers or the early Fairchilds. I have a pretty good selection of book sources (especially Milberry),
but for what I'm sure was a common practice, there aren't a lot of photos.

Any help or direction would be appreciated...post 'em here for fun or feel free to PM me when you get a chance.


Thanks in advance...cheers!

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#2 Post by Conquest Driver » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:39 pm

Try this one :-)
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#3 Post by I_Drive_Planes » Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:00 pm

I'm quite fond of this one.

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#4 Post by 1000 HP » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:05 pm

Most guys don't like to post pictures because we don't like Transport to get ahold of them. Probably 50% of the outfits I've worked for had external load paperwork. The other ones just hauled it as it had been done since Orville and Wilbur...
I recently had a buddy get stopped for hauling 16" 2 x 8s on the Caravan float. It works great and you hardly notice any drop in airspeed and zero turbulence. But it's not approved :rolleyes:
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#5 Post by Helmet Fire » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:06 pm

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#6 Post by Adam Oke » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:05 pm

Helmet Fire, I am more curious about the tape job on the back of that Cessna! Someone blow a window out? :lol:
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#7 Post by esp803 » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:12 pm

Is that BGJ or BBZ?

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#8 Post by Pop n Fresh » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:57 am

Looks like the least expensive window tint available because they did not have a suitable can of paint.
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#9 Post by Rudder Bug » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:17 pm

Adam Oke wrote:Helmet Fire, I am more curious about the tape job on the back of that Cessna! Someone blow a window out? :lol:
It happened while trying to haul a telephone pole.

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#10 Post by Rudder Bug » Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:22 pm

Conquest Driver wrote:Try this one :-)
That's ok; it's not a GoPro!

That was just another Air Saguenay day...
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#11 Post by Rowdy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:10 pm

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Some of the few I have and have found.. I'll try and dig up some more.
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#12 Post by ross1 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 2:19 am

Thanks...I knew there had to be some out there...along with terrific stories. And I completely understand any reluctance. I appreciate the help.

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#13 Post by zulutime » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:57 pm

Had a friend who once picked up some hunters and they convinced him, (a low timer at the time), to strap a large portion of a moose that had been cut up to the outside of the floats. He got airborne, but barely, and after just clearing the trees at the far end of the lake he set it back down on the very next lake about 200 yards away. He left the moose on the floats but asked the hunters to get out. He eventually returned for them after he changed his underwear!!! Sorry I don't remember the A/C type. Far too many years ago now....

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#14 Post by ross1 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:39 pm

...here's a recent example of what I use it for...
A popular Norseman with a canoe

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"THE NEW NEIGHBORS" 9 x 12 inches

from this reference... (Thanks Larry)

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#15 Post by Johnny#5 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:19 pm

Nice!
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#16 Post by Broken Slinky » Sat Nov 15, 2014 5:54 am

Silly question but why do you always see the boat tied to the floats with the aft facing forwarding? Wouldn't drag be reduced with it facing forward?
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#17 Post by Notta Simfalt » Sat Nov 15, 2014 7:44 am

Broken Slinky wrote:Silly question but why do you always see the boat tied to the floats with the aft facing forwarding? Wouldn't drag be reduced with it facing forward?
Too much air turbulence near the tail.
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#18 Post by seasonaldriver » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:40 am

A friend of mine used to haul boats with the bow forward on an Otter. With the horizontal stab being so high he said there was no noticeable vibration from the turbulence generated by the boat and the plane seemed to fly easier. According to every rule I've seen though, it's always stern forward no matter what kind of aircraft is doing the hauling. I've never seen any engineering reports about it either so safety and stern first for me.
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#19 Post by Liquid Charlie » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:36 am

The other question is -- why does every picture show the boat on the left -- we always hauled our external loads on the right side -- unless of course there were 2 boats :smt040 -- aircraft always flew better with loads on the right -- ya I know -- so we can see the boat but really does that matter that much -- never bothered me -- I wanted the best performance -- now if the engine turned "backwards" then the left side makes sense --

oh ya best answer I ever heard for stern first question -- which part of the wing goes forward :D
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#20 Post by fish4life » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:48 am

I've heard it was because the bow of the boat kinda acted like the leading edge of an wing and created lift wanting to create a low pressure on the bottom of the boat and therefore trying to lift it right off the float. Either way stern forward lol.
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#21 Post by Liquid Charlie » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:24 pm

I never heard of flying stern first or have I ever seen it -- unless of course it was a paddler canoe -- lol -- I had never seen anyone leave ropes tied to their floats when flying -- then again when I was flying floats usually only half the passengers even had a seat and sometimes none -- they sat on their kit on top of a life jacket and usually no seat belts as well -- ah the good old days where men were men and all the dogs were nervous !!!!
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#22 Post by beaverbob » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:55 pm

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#23 Post by Liquid Charlie » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:28 am

Hey BBob -- How did it fly -- flew 2 14 ft boats on a bvr and needed flap to stay in the air -- :mrgreen:
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#24 Post by beaverbob » Fri Nov 21, 2014 12:39 pm

Liquid Charlie wrote:Hey BBob -- How did it fly -- flew 2 14 ft boats on a bvr and needed flap to stay in the air -- :mrgreen:
That flew quite well. I think I has about 80 mph with the four passengers in the plane as well. I did keep slight flap for attitude reasons.
Some where I have a picture of flying a Seadoo on the floats. That required aileron input. With that load I just rolled the seedoo float off the water first to test it out. That was on straight floats the first time.
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#25 Post by 5x5 » Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:28 am

I guess there's really no limit ?!?!

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