Regarding AME Shortage

[BMLtech]

How did that work out? That’s a great idea as dealerships etc gouge hard. What region did you do this and is it still paying off?
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Business is surviving fine , not much if any downturn due to Covid. Now have an established clientele and not actively seeking new business. Never going to get rich doing this, but sure happy that I left big red when I did or I'd be hooped now. Located in Manitoba Interlake region.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

How did that work out? That’s a great idea as dealerships etc gouge hard. What region did you do this and is it still paying off?

Business is surviving fine , not much if any downturn due to Covid. Now have an established clientele and not actively seeking new business. Never going to get rich doing this, but sure happy that I left big red when I did or I'd be hooped now. Located in Manitoba Interlake region.
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Well nobody ever got rich as an AME either. At least you have control over everything. Aviation is going to be down for years, masks are likely going to be part of life as we know it for years to come

[Heliian]

How did that work out? That’s a great idea as dealerships etc gouge hard. What region did you do this and is it still paying off?

Business is surviving fine , not much if any downturn due to Covid. Now have an established clientele and not actively seeking new business. Never going to get rich doing this, but sure happy that I left big red when I did or I'd be hooped now. Located in Manitoba Interlake region.

Well nobody ever got rich as an AME either. At least you have control over everything. Aviation is going to be down for years, masks are likely going to be part of life as we know it for years to come
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God you have such a pessimistic view on things.

Get your head out of the airlines ass and you'll see much more out there.

Aviation isn't down, only airlines are down and won't be for much longer and masks are coming off as soon as possible, probably after everyone gets shot #2 and numbers drop off, so 2022.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

How did that work out? That’s a great idea as dealerships etc gouge hard. What region did you do this and is it still paying off?

Business is surviving fine , not much if any downturn due to Covid. Now have an established clientele and not actively seeking new business. Never going to get rich doing this, but sure happy that I left big red when I did or I'd be hooped now. Located in Manitoba Interlake region.

Well nobody ever got rich as an AME either. At least you have control over everything. Aviation is going to be down for years, masks are likely going to be part of life as we know it for years to come

God you have such a pessimistic view on things.

Get your head out of the airlines ass and you'll see much more out there.

Aviation isn't down, only airlines are down and won't be for much longer and masks are coming off as soon as possible, probably after everyone gets shot #2 and numbers drop off, so 2022.
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There’s a big difference between pessimism and reality. I’m NOT in the airlines.

[littleboyblue]

Well nobody ever got rich as an AME either. At least you have control over everything. Aviation is going to be down for years, masks are likely going to be part of life as we know it for years to come

I'm sorry, but maybe someone can fill me in on what blue collar job wages makes you "rich"?...which is a relative term anyways. (not picking on you stomper, just needed the quote)

I know a large, very large number of career AMEs who have done very well. Not from working for AME wages necessarily (but some have), but from investing their wages in the stock market, or real estate, or perhaps patents on some tool they came up with, or many other opportunities that can arise from simply being in the aviation game for decades.

If anyone thinks they're going to get "rich" on maintenance technician wages in any industry they're simply dreaming.

check out the sunshine list this year for Ontario public servants and see that many are making south of $200,000. they are by no means "rich" or consider themselves "rich", or fly around in private gulfstream or cruise on their private 110ft. yachts.

but i do know plenty AMEs that have their own 40 ft. private yacht, diamond DA20, summer cottage in the Muskokas and winter homes in Mexico or the Dominican or Barbados. plenty.

[Pat Richard]

Wow, one seriously deluded post.

I know several people that went to casinos, or played the lottery, and struck it rich. That doesn't detract from the fact that aviation wages have, still, and will continue to suck.
When you factor all the well known bullshit of being in this industry, what are you left with???

Smoking a bit too much aerosexual pole, amigo. But you just keep telling yourself what you need to feel smart about your choices.

Still can't believe the point you're trying to argue..my god

[johnwa]

For those of us that are in our 50s and 60s, we have seen happy times and freedom and integrity.
Aviation was never meant to be about survival, giving passengers a cookie for the meal they pay for, or the ever-present fear of losing our jobs. We were the folks that kept the airplanes in the air and let the pilots shine on our behalf.
Reality has proven just how fragile this business has become, how over-regulated, how much a commercial pilot or an engineer (I have both) has been robbed of their pride. No one is boasting about their professions anymore. If you are in aviation, try to get a mortgage now.
But airplanes will still be around, people still need to inspect them, and pilots still need to fly them.
I would say heads up, don't give up, and don't lose your faith. Encourage kids to go to AME schools, even if you and I know that their future is as fragile as ours has become. Does anyone know how many of the thousands of AMEs in Canada are actually seeking employment in their profession again?

[Bug_Stomper_01]

For those of us that are in our 50s and 60s, we have seen happy times and freedom and integrity.
Aviation was never meant to be about survival, giving passengers a cookie for the meal they pay for, or the ever-present fear of losing our jobs. We were the folks that kept the airplanes in the air and let the pilots shine on our behalf.
Reality has proven just how fragile this business has become, how over-regulated, how much a commercial pilot or an engineer (I have both) has been robbed of their pride. No one is boasting about their professions anymore. If you are in aviation, try to get a mortgage now.
But airplanes will still be around, people still need to inspect them, and pilots still need to fly them.
I would say heads up, don't give up, and don't lose your faith. Encourage kids to go to AME schools, even if you and I know that their future is as fragile as ours has become. Does anyone know how many of the thousands of AMEs in Canada are actually seeking employment in their profession again?

I’d love to know how many licenced ames are actually active pre and post COVID19 pandemic. This industry has pegged the suck needle for the last ten years at the very least. I know plenty of really good ones that got out years back and into something that pays way more with way less responsibility and workload.

The aerosexuals have and always will ruin the industry and employers prey on it to pay the same horrible stagnant wages from >30 years ago. There never will be an AME shortage there’s thousands I’m betting out there with lots of training and experience that walked away to live a much better life. Most I know that I went to college with are out for good. There will always be an elusive bottom line operators and mro’s have been dabbling with to attract new blood.

They can always attract naive 1st year licences, that will never be a problem. As they get older and realize how horrible they have it they drop like flies that’s the name of the game. How many I know that have side deals or second jobs just to live normally is more than not. Money talks, companies know this but they also know the aerosexual coolaide is way stronger. It’ll never change, bottom line, there’s never going to be a shortage, just will have to pay more every ten years when there’s a peak.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Well nobody ever got rich as an AME either. At least you have control over everything. Aviation is going to be down for years, masks are likely going to be part of life as we know it for years to come

but i do know plenty AMEs that have their own 40 ft. private yacht, diamond DA20, summer cottage in the Muskokas and winter homes in Mexico or the Dominican or Barbados. plenty.

Plenty? Ok how many is that?

[Pat Richard]

I know a few that have spouses, with govt jobs, that allows them a margin of comfort that most AME's don't have, but nothing like what is mentioned. He makes it sound normal that so many have done so well, investing. I know NOBODY like he has described.

Whats more common is mechs taking on second jobs, living in duplex basement suites with room mates, or even vehicles. Can't blame the industry entirely though. Like has been mentioned, the aerosexuals encourage it, and it leaves those who want decent conditions, fighting a mouthfoamers horniness to fondle airplanes.

I really thought this was a disappearing trait but this industry seems to still shine in that respect.
Can't say I've ever met a plumber, welder, electrician, etc, willing to do any of what I mentioned, to keep working in their trades.

That sort of special stupid I've only seen in aviation.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Wow, one seriously deluded post.

I know several people that went to casinos, or played the lottery, and struck it rich. That doesn't detract from the fact that aviation wages have, still, and will continue to suck.
When you factor all the well known bullshit of being in this industry, what are you left with???

Smoking a bit too much aerosexual pole, amigo. But you just keep telling yourself what you need to feel smart about your choices.

Still can't believe the point you're trying to argue..my god

Several delusional ames out there, can’t get past the fact that it’s just another means of transportation. Yes we’re held to a higher standard than most but we sure as hell aren’t compensated for it. Looking at the wages 20 years ago to now things have not improved, quite the opposite. This industry is a f’n joke

[Pat Richard]

Encourage kids to go to AME schools, even if you and I know that their future is as fragile as ours has become.

That is seriously one of the stupidest things I've read here.

[Pat Richard]

Wow, one seriously deluded post.

I know several people that went to casinos, or played the lottery, and struck it rich. That doesn't detract from the fact that aviation wages have, still, and will continue to suck.
When you factor all the well known bullshit of being in this industry, what are you left with???

Smoking a bit too much aerosexual pole, amigo. But you just keep telling yourself what you need to feel smart about your choices.

Still can't believe the point you're trying to argue..my god

Several delusional ames out there, can’t get past the fact that it’s just another means of transportation. Yes we’re held to a higher standard than most but we sure as hell aren’t compensated for it. Looking at the wages 20 years ago to now things have not improved, quite the opposite. This industry is a f’n joke

I know, it's shit, and will continue to be. You did the smart thing with the atv repair biz. I know a couple of guys who started doing bathroom/kitchen renos, because of the covid effect. Doesn't sound like they are ever going to go back to aircraft fondling. Now that they have money and schedule they are happy, not perfectly, but much more so than when they were being AME's. They are both 30ish year experienced/multi endorsed.

I guess they don't "love airplane noise" enough anymore...

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Wow, one seriously deluded post.

I know several people that went to casinos, or played the lottery, and struck it rich. That doesn't detract from the fact that aviation wages have, still, and will continue to suck.
When you factor all the well known bullshit of being in this industry, what are you left with???

Smoking a bit too much aerosexual pole, amigo. But you just keep telling yourself what you need to feel smart about your choices.

Still can't believe the point you're trying to argue..my god

Several delusional ames out there, can’t get past the fact that it’s just another means of transportation. Yes we’re held to a higher standard than most but we sure as hell aren’t compensated for it. Looking at the wages 20 years ago to now things have not improved, quite the opposite. This industry is a f’n joke

I know, it's shit, and will continue to be. You did the smart thing with the atv repair biz. I know a couple of guys who started doing bathroom/kitchen renos, because of the covid effect. Doesn't sound like they are ever going to go back to aircraft fondling. Now that they have money and schedule they are happy, not perfectly, but much more so than when they were being AME's. They are both 30ish year experienced/multi endorsed.

I guess they don't "love airplane noise" enough anymore...

Wasn’t me with the ATV business but I do have two other industries I work in and am way more profitable at these days. Makes me sad reading these people toting the line for such a beleaguered industry saying that it’s not bad live beneath their means to be happy like having a 20 year old flip phone and driving rotten old junk. It’s a slippery slope people traverse as ames when they constantly reduce their standards...

[PitchLink]

Wow, one seriously deluded post.

I know several people that went to casinos, or played the lottery, and struck it rich. That doesn't detract from the fact that aviation wages have, still, and will continue to suck.
When you factor all the well known bullshit of being in this industry, what are you left with???

Smoking a bit too much aerosexual pole, amigo. But you just keep telling yourself what you need to feel smart about your choices.

Still can't believe the point you're trying to argue..my god

Several delusional ames out there, can’t get past the fact that it’s just another means of transportation. Yes we’re held to a higher standard than most but we sure as hell aren’t compensated for it. Looking at the wages 20 years ago to now things have not improved, quite the opposite. This industry is a f’n joke

I know, it's shit, and will continue to be. You did the smart thing with the atv repair biz. I know a couple of guys who started doing bathroom/kitchen renos, because of the covid effect. Doesn't sound like they are ever going to go back to aircraft fondling. Now that they have money and schedule they are happy, not perfectly, but much more so than when they were being AME's. They are both 30ish year experienced/multi endorsed.

I guess they don't "love airplane noise" enough anymore...

The noise, the bs, the low pay, the loser owners paying ames less than a trailer mechanic first year. I just had a buddy in Calgary text me if I knew any young guys that wanted an apprenticeship. 33-35/hr for a first year appy with zero experience. Factory training on detroit cummins and cat progressively as well as all Paccar experience on new highway tractors. Home every night and a brand new well lit shop outside of the city in the foothills. That’s just one that came up of many, that trade is driving rates and wages up right now because they literally can’t find anyone good.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Encourage kids to go to AME schools, even if you and I know that their future is as fragile as ours has become.

That is seriously one of the stupidest things I've read here.

How did I miss this one LOL!!!!!

[Pat Richard]

The thing that pisses me off is that over the years I've met several guys just like that.

They complain the loudest at coffee breaks, etc, but are the first to volunteer to tour a group of high school students around with a gaga aviation attitude, strutting around like an effing peacock.

I've said this before, but this industry attracts a disproportianate amount of losers.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

The thing that pisses me off is that over the years I've met several guys just like that.

They complain the loudest at coffee breaks, etc, but are the first to volunteer to tour a group of high school students around with a gaga aviation attitude, strutting around like an effing peacock.

I've said this before, but this industry attracts a disproportianate amount of losers.

Yep people with huge chips on their shoulders too boot.