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cnetplanet
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:58 pm 
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Hello,

I am really stuck up at a stage when I have to choose one and make a decision for the future.

I have done my 4years Bachelors Degree in Mechanical Engineering from India. I have worked in Mechanical Engineering field for about 4years in India and I also also worked in HR & Administration in UK & in Australia for about 4years. I have heard alot about Avionics from my friends working with Virgin Australia. And I found it so fascinating working with aircrafts.

I am new in Canada as an immigrant. As my Indian degree wont get me into good job as its not recognised here and I dont want to land up into job paying $9-10 per hour. I think this is the time I can go back to college or University for some study to gain Canadian education. I have always noticed that Local degree always helps to land in atleast good job.

I have applied for Masters of Global Management at RoyalRoads University in Victoria, BC. And I have also applied for Avionics at Canadorec, Fanshawe, Centennial & College of North Atlantic.

I have got admission offers from College of Fanshawe & Centennial and expecting to get offer from Canadorec also. I am not sure about Fanshawe as they have hilarious condition for local student with international education. And by the time I am also expecting to get offer from RoyalRoads University for Masters degree program.

I am confused about choosing a one as I have always loved to work machines & have a thing for machines, so would love to work with aircrafts for sure. And also enjoyed my work in administration & management in UK & Australia.

You guys are highly experienced in this field and in life as well for sure.

Please help me or suggest me something.

Thanx.


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cgzro
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Go to a University bookstore. Flip through the first year Calculus and physics,
it should look easy to you. If it does I suggest you go talk to the them and see about writing the exams for first and second year mech eng. That way you could get a Canadian engineering degree in a few years. Your past work experience would likely help get Coop jobs. Id use what you already know and my guess is your math and physics was even harder than what we suffered through here. What you may not have had is as much hands on stuff?

After that.. skys the limit and there are plenty of big machines in Alberta!


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azimuthaviation
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You are going into aircraft maintenance because you don't want to work for minimum wage?


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cnetplanet
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azimuthaviation,

No, thats not what exactly i meant.

My current degree is not recognised here in canada, and I dont want to land up into restaurant or retail or taxi jobs paying minimum wages. I have seen that so many immigrants are doing the same. Very few of them up upgraded their qualifications. And anywhere in the world its a fact that local education of the country helps alot.

I am planning to go back to uni or college to get into good job of my interest.

So I am stuck up in between Avionics & Masters of Global Management.


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azimuthaviation
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After two years of college your first year in maintenance will pay slighty better than minimum wage, and you need to buy tools and pay off student loans.


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cnetplanet
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I have seen few ads for the apprenticeship jobs, I think fresher gets around $17-18 per hour. And I have no idea about the pay after one gets license. Please let me know if I am wrong and please let me know about the pay after the license.

Can you also tell me about the demand of Avionics Engineers in Canada?

Are you indirectly suggesting me not to go for Avionics?


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sparky99
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I am an AME 'E' (Avionics) and here's my input. Seeing as you already have a four year degree, you are clearly a bright induvidual. Don't waste two years of your life going to school for this trade, only to come out and have a difficult time finding a place who are taking apprentices and paying $17 an hour. Invest you time, money, and intelect in pursuing your degree here. You would be investing nearly four years of your life to become a licensed AME, why not use that time to complete something that opens up many more opportunities for you. This is merely my opinion however If I had the smarts to be accepted into a degree program, I'd be there in an instant.... unfortunatly I'm just too dumb :-( LOL.


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Colonel Sanders
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Not sure how useful a "Masters of Global Management" is, though. Where are their graduates from five years ago? What are they doing? I wouldn't dream of blowing beaucoup bucks and time on a master's degree without getting those answers to those very simple questions. If the faculty can't answer, don't walk away, run away!

Getting a degree (any degree) simply for the sake of having a degree, IMHO, is a complete waste of time. It might impress the fat cows in HR, but that's about it.

Instead of asking yourself what course you want to take, ask yourself, "Self, what do I want to be doing in 5 years? And what training do I need, to do it?"


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If your degree is not recognized in Canada, then why did we allow you to emigrate here?? I thought that was the current policy, to let trained skilled people in?


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cnetplanet
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I did sent my degree for the evaluation to "international credential service of canada" at the time of my immigration application and got positive assessment that "My education in India is equivalent to the 4years degree in Ontario". so they did consider that for the immigration purpose.

But in Ontario one needs to have some Engineering License to work as an engineer. And its a long process to obtain the same, I will have to send my documents again for their separate evaluation and will have to sit in about 7 to 9 different exams. Colleges and universities run related courses here but still it will take about 2years of time and around 10k+.

And the main thing is I will have to clear out those exams in 2 attempts. I know maybe exams wont be that tuff, but still if in case something goes wrong or something happens and if i wont be able to clearout those exams in 2 attempts then all the time and money will get wasted. And again I will have to look for other options at that time. This is the reason you will get to see many people with overseas qualification landed into the jobs not related to their field. Most of immigrants dont even think or plan out to give exams or get local education, they just stick to the job whatever they get.


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cnetplanet
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Colonel Sanders

"Masters of Global Management" program is likely new at RoyalRoads University. First batch is going on at the moment and If I will get admission then that will be 2nd batch of the program.

But same program has got very good feedback at other universities in Canada & in US. People mainly get into job related to management into MNCs and deal with things related to international businesses.

As I said earlier, I am a bit confused. I love to work with machines so will surely enjoy working with aircrafts and I also enjoyed my jobs in HR & Administration in UK & Australia. Thats the reason i thought to create this posting to get opinions from you experienced guys.


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cgzro
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2years of time and around 10k+.


No brainer to me. Spend the 10K, and 2 years and get your Canadian PEng.
That PEng is a road to a lot of interesting career possibilities over the course of your life and usually offers a very good wage and stability.

Anyway you are young .. now is NOT the time to compromise or take the easy route.


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Colonel Sanders
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in Ontario one needs to have some Engineering License to work as an engineer


uh, not quite correct. I've been working as an engineer in Ontario for
over 25 years without a Peng. Personally, I refuse to pay $200/yr to
APEO for a rubber stamp.


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cnetplanet
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Ummm...I am pretty sure I read somewhere that one needs to have a license to work as an engineer.

I can get a job in engineering but I wont have authority to make decisions like approve the drawings or make any modifications. It will be a job something like a shadow engineer with no authorities.

I will look into that again. You please let me know the link or website if you know about the same.


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A qualified engineer in India can live like a king, in any number of Asian or mid eastern countries. There's Indian universities as good as McGill, and as lousy as devry. The fact that you're looking at spending two years to train for a 17 dollar an hour job rather than competing for lucrative positions in the burgeoning far east market makes me pretty sceptical how valuable your degree is, here or there.


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You need a PEng to sign off on things that require an "engineer's" signature, but that doesn't mean you can't work as an engineer without that designation. Most junior engineers don't have it (in fact, you have to work for 4 years as an engineer to be eligible for it). Contact the Professional Engineers of Ontario (I think that's the ontario equivallent of APEGA) and they will provide more info, but if you look at engineering job ads, most don't require a PEng designation. Furthermore, the US Fundamentals of Engineering exam is now acceptable as proof of an engineering education. You can challenge it, and if you pass, it's as good as having a degree from an accredited Canadian university. All US engineering students have to take it, since their universities don't have the same accreditation requirement that we do here. It's an 8 hour exam, with half covering general engineering stuff, and the other half specific to your specialization.


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Ditto to what cgzro said.
I'd buckle down and challenge those 7-9 exams and build on your existing engineering background. There are many opportunities to be had to integrate engineering with hands on work in aviation if that is what interests you.
There will be precious little "hands on" for someone with a generic MBA (or MGM.. whatever that actually amounts to)
From where you are now, avionics maintenance will be a much slower route to a living wage and that living wage will be have a lower cap on it than that of a professional engineer - with or without the rubber stamp.


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I once had a neighbour with a PhD in mechanical engineering who couldn't get a job or credentials here once he immigrated. One day my dad noticed their doorknob broken and gave him one we had kicking around. After a few days they called and my dad asked how the doorknob worked his wife said it didn't, there was a piece missing. My dad told her that he wouldn't give them a broken doorknob. She said if my husband the engineer says its missing a part, that means its missing a part. So my dad goes there and puts it together in five minutes. Without an engineering degree. His PhD btw was from the Patrice lumumba peoples friendship university. There's a reason why he couldn't get a job here, or there. People in India know what a third rate university is too.

Fact is a viable degree from an accredited university will get you where you need to be without having to get there seventeen dollars at a time. Universities, colleges, flight schools in Canada are full of foreign students who come here seeking qualifications to work in their home countries. Canadian graduates and pilots are taking their qualifications there where the jobs and money are. But its competitive there, the best get the good jobs, the second best get what thru can take and the bottom find its easier to move to Canada where you don't need a great education to live a comfortable life.


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Colonel Sanders
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Please keep in mind that although qualifications
are nice to have, as AA points out above, what
matters is: What can you do?

I've been a practising engineer for over a quarter
of a century now, and frankly no one could care
less if I got a BSc, MSc or Phd back in the 1970's
or 1980's when hair was big, disco was king, and
shoulder pads were in. What matters is whether
or not I can get the job done today.

Don't lose sight of that most important factor!

Too many people are hung up on letters after
their name. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard,
never even got an undergrad and went on to be
the richest guy in the USA. Here he is in 1977
as a guest of the Albuquerque, New Mexico police
department:

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It sounds like you have a passion for aviation and a "Engineering Degree" that may or may not be recognized here. A Professional Engineer working in Construction, oil and Gas and silmilar industries need the P ENG designation to sign off on drawings. When it comes to aviation, having a P ENG means nothing. If you work for an engineering firm that strictly does aviation STC's or for an OEM like Bombardier, they have their own structure under a DAO. The DAO is authorized to delegate who can sign drawings. That comes more with experience rather than some stupid P ENG stamp. For example I don't even have an engineering degree but am authorized under our DAO to sign and approve drawings. (Not the same as a TC delegated DAR)

What I'm saying is, Apply to Bombardier or Viking as these companies are in desperate need of Mechanical/System Engineers (they do prefer Aviation Background), skip going to school to be an AME and work on planes from a design/modification side instead of Maintenance. Do some online schooling like the ICS Maintenance program because then you'll at least have the books to reference for how airplane/helicopter systems work.

If you really want to make some big bucks than pick up some Stress (not the human factor) courses and go work at Bombardier.......They start at $80/hr out of school.

Sorry for all the acronyms.......it is aviation afterall...


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Do you need an engineer back ground to do NDT or just some courses? A guy could probably get the main usefull certificates in under a year.


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Without an engineering degree


Pop quiz time. You're someplace and someone is grousing that their
handheld comm with the rubber duckie doesn't have enough power.
But you know that dollar for dollar, you get your best bang for the
buck spent on the antenna.

You notice on a workbench nearby, a coil of RG-58 coax, a male BNC
crimp connector and crimp tool.

Using the above, describe to me a simple, quick Marconi antenna
that you build for the guy in minutes, which provides far superior
transmit range than the rubber duckie. Hint: Vee equals Eff Lambda.


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hmm... ok so you need the propogation velocity of rg 58, if anyone's still using that these days. then figure out the wavelength you need, so 113 Mhz. If theres a few frequencies you use the most and theyre close cut it to that distance. Take the propogation velocity of the coax, multiply it by the speed of light in a vacuum. I think its 70% so v= about 2.1 x10^8 m/s. multiply that by the wavelength of 113MHz. which you find by dividng 1/113000000. divide that number by 4 to get a quarter wave, lets call it 50cm.

OK so now what? Im guessing: crimp the BNC on a piece of 50cm RG58, remove the jacket, and most of the shield,leave the centre conductor inside the dielectric. now what? tear four strands of centre conductor, 25cm each and spread them out 90 degrees and attach to the piece of shield at the bottom?

EDIT: 113, average of 108 and 118 MHz.

EDIT: should be average between 118 and 136, was thinkin nav freq.


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Isnt it just C in air you want not C x .7?


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cgzro wrote:
Isnt it just C in air you want not C x .7?


Yeah, I guess you're right. Very close to C anyways.


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