The guys up in Kenora were a good bunch. The operation was run fairly well too.conehead wrote:I've been visiting this forum for years now, and I think Meecka has had some of the crapiest employers around...
I'm in a sweet gig now
That Corsair took more of my blood than the doctor's office ever will! Big 'ol Blue Sow. She was interesting to work on though. Not many people can say they have radial experience, let alone a big'un like that one.DonutHole wrote:That corsair though.
And. . What the hell is an AMT? Are they worth less because they aren't a.m.e's?
AMT I think, is being used to describe unlicensed guys. So in most operators eyes, yes they are worth less than AME's.
That's good to hear.Meecka wrote:I'm in a sweet gig nowconehead wrote:I've been visiting this forum for years now, and I think Meecka has had some of the crapiest employers around...
Maybe the AME job needs to be viewed as a transitional job to better things? We had an ex forces helicopter mechanic that came to us and worked a bit as a Millwright, wrote the test, easily passed and he was probably the best Millwright we have ever had until he retired. They say these days that the average professional will have 5 jobs in their working life and will experience 3 career direction changes in their working life time.
I personally believe that anybody on the shop floor should be making more than a walmart employee.
I have a question blew, what should he be making?
I wholeheartedly agree with you here.DonutHole wrote: I personally believe that anybody on the shop floor should be making more than a walmart employee.
If you think your life will be better with another career, then go for it and stop complaining here. Go back to university and rack up 60gs in debt and see what kind of job that lands you. NO job is guaranteed, NO inexperienced worker in any field is making good money.
There are less than 20,000 licensed AME's in Canada which include instructors and other license holders who don't actually wrench. It's easy to find work and the pay is always getting better AND there is usually advancement if you so desire.
I see lots of guys in their late 50's early 60's, 30ish years experience, wrenching on airplanes 10-12 hours a day, nights, weekends, holidays, outside, etc, and they're not pumped that they are doing so. Never hear any of of them raving how good they got it or how great aviation maintenance is. Always the opposite. Oh, and making low to mid 30's an hour, either payroll or contract.
Something for the young guys to look fwd to.
When I was in my last year of apprenticeship (2 1/2 years experience), I used to make 36575$/year, 10 hours nightshift on rotation 4-5-5 so I was working about 182 days/year, 1820 hours/year and this gives you the magic number of 20.10$/hour. I was working in Montreal (CYUL).
That's the money I made as a first year AME.May 2013
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Unfortunate reality is that winning lottery tickets are about as common.
You dont ever notice how many of those ad's are repeats? Ever wonder why that is? A shortage you say?? Yeah, because this industry sucking is no secret.
Buddy, I would have been over the moon for that kind of pay as an apprentice. With roughly that much experience, I was making $13.00 an hour. I didn't get to $20.00 an hour until I got my license, and moved to a different company. The pay in this industry blows, and there may be some improvement, but man oh man is it slow coming.TheAME wrote:When I was in my last year of apprenticeship (2 1/2 years experience), I used to make 36575$/year, 10 hours nightshift on rotation 4-5-5 so I was working about 182 days/year, 1820 hours/year and this gives you the magic number of 20.10$/hour. I was working in Montreal (CYUL).
And to make it even more mind boggling AME's are paid less than the machine operators ( also called pilots. )....
...does not make sense.
...It is ass backwards......
...wait a second, maybe that is what they like?
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I don't think there will ever be enough difficulty to companies(finding good qualified AME's) that would push them in the direction to change conditions.They will exhaust every other possibility except that.
I was once told to my face by a dom that no AME should be making more than $35 a/hr. I personally believe he is far from the only one with that mindset as even today, many years later, that seems to be the pinnacle area for wages for most.
The problem is fundamental.
Being both allows me to figure out which requires the most knowledge and skills.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
strega puts us one notch above neanderthal, photo fly same deal, there are many pilots who come in here and let us know exactly how valuable they feel our certification is worth, yet none will put their plane into owner maintenance and tank the value, though their logic would dictate if their thoughts were true there would be no impact on value.
The reason we are not valued is the perception that what we do is relatively worthless, I mean really it's a lawnmower with wings.
Until our skillset is perceived as valuable the trade will generate wages amongst the lowest in skilled trades.
To a certain degree is have to agree. It doesn't take a long time to learn how a Cessna or piper works.
The skill comes with the judgment calls. What do I sign out, how close to the limit do I run a specific part, do I pencil whip the compass swing and save the customer an hour labor.
What we should be paid for is the skills we use to maintain safe aircraft while running close enough to the limit to keep flying affordable. To me, that is what separates a good ame from a bad one. That is the knowledge that takes years to develop. Literally any warm body can pass basic training and become a licensed engineer, the system is not set up to fail people, but once out there we have to deal with a quagmire of opposing forces, and the skill of being a good ame is not letting those forces rip you apart while still Keeping the planes in the air.
Despite being undervalued, I doubt any of us here sacrifice safety for profits. Sitting at home it is easy to look at a bill and wish you dint have to spend the money, but the choice to replace that part and spend your money is secondary to whether or not we sleep at night.
I've experienced and witnessed some absolutely brutal aspects of aviation, being in a powerless position to change obvious deficiency,seeing green ames conned into installing bogus parts, seeing specialized maintenance done by people I wouldn't let fix my toaster (uunless I was accepting that they would eliminate themselves from society) with no authority to do so.
Not being one of those guys fills me with a sense of entitlement for a wage that enables living and being able to have some extras.
Unfortunately, as with the pilot pool, there is way too much lowest common denominator floating around the industry.
Entry level pilots come out with their license, and if they don't do anything wrong they keep it.
For the first three years of an Ames journey we don't have that. We have to get our license to make the wage and to do that we put ourselves in a vulnerable position. Not with liability, but with risk to our moral compass. We are held hostage by the operator, if we leave before obtaining the license we put ourselves in the position of perhaps never being able to get it, and if something goes wrong in the meantime, we can end up being forced away from the industry with nothing.
You cannot go out and buy an ame license. the same cannot be said for pilots.
We aren't hholding a grinder for a welder, or shooting 2x4 boards together with an air nailer, we are working on flying machines and with that comes the opportunity to put a pilot in the position where no matter how skilled He is he might not be able to fly himself out of our screw up.
Never letting that happen has to be worth something more than subsistence level wages.
totally disagree.Until our skillset is perceived as valuable the trade will generate wages amongst the lowest in skilled trades.
...it's not the skill-set that's valuable...it's the person that has the skill-set.
Until certain people here realize that, they will go nowhere.
...and well said Heliian
BTW my current job was never advertised...I was head-hunted...