Mountain checkout

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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by CpnCrunch » Fri May 31, 2019 10:43 am

rookiepilot wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 10:02 am
corethatthermal wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 8:03 am
What side of the valley Should one fly on, and why?
Thats a loaded question !!!
Maybe.

I'm still waiting.....
You should fly on the right-hand side of the valley for traffic avoidance, unless there is a reason to fly on the other side (e.g. downdrafts).
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by Squaretail » Fri May 31, 2019 1:41 pm

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I have nothing against improving your skill level - be it mountain flying or aerobatic training.

I am against a school telling a student that it's required as part of his/her commercial course...

Fraud.
To play the devil’s advocate, not quite. While there are minimum standards required by TC for a commercial syllabus, technically speaking the are no limits on it either. As a school, you can come up with whatever requirements you want, you could require your students to dress up in pilot costumes to complete your course, make them fly Boeing simulators, whatever. Also technically speaking, TC has the power to not approve such a syllabus, and again, technically, could beat you over the head for not following your own syllabus.

It’s important to note that there is a difference between a CPL course, and the bare requirements to obtain a CPL. Or any license or rating for that matter.

That is not to say I agree with such practices, though I get why it happens. It’s how the big players in the flight training game compete with one another. Stuff that sounds good on a resume for the unknowing and uninitiated sells flight training to the undiscerning market. But technically it’s not fraud. It’s scummy, and disingenuous, but not fraud.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by photofly » Fri May 31, 2019 2:06 pm

Squaretail wrote:
Fri May 31, 2019 1:41 pm
Schooner69A wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 8:24 pm
I have nothing against improving your skill level - be it mountain flying or aerobatic training.

I am against a school telling a student that it's required as part of his/her commercial course...

Fraud.
To play the devil’s advocate, not quite. While there are minimum standards required by TC for a commercial syllabus, technically speaking the are no limits on it either.
Well, not quite. There are some limits. See CAR 405.11 - 405.14. There's nothing in the Flight Training Manual or the Flight Instructor Guide about mountain checkouts, so it's hard to see how it fits in with 405.12 or 405.14.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by Squaretail » Fri May 31, 2019 5:00 pm

The limit though in 405 would be omitting or contradicting anything that is in the applicable FTM. There is nothing to say you can’t add extra. “Mountain checks” are really a bad name, and it would be hard to argue that any reasonably or even marginally useful training there would be counter to the FTM and FIG. A similar example (and way more common) to what we are talking about is the use of a simulator for training. The CPL requirements make no requirements for using a simulator, yet you would be hard pressed to find a CPL course in Canada that didn’t require it as part of their completion syllabus.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by CpnCrunch » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:49 pm

I think the main reason mountain training is done as part of the CPL in Victoria and Vancouver is because there are very few long x/c routes you can fly that don't involve mountain flying.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by geneticistx » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:20 am

My first flight lesson from a very experienced mountain trained instructor was incredibly detailed and specific.

1. Mountains don't move
2. Don't hit the mountain

It got a bit more detailed after that.
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Re: Mountain checkout

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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by rotorspeed » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:08 pm

I was told by instructor that you wouldn't be able to fly a lot of cross country solo without mountain checkout in the lower mainland because of the terrain.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by ahramin » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:03 pm

How much cross country solo are you planning on doing? I got all the way through my commercial licence in the lower mainland before I started to venture into the mountains.

In any case, if you are going to be flying into the mountains in less than perfect weather it's important to get training from someone with considerable mountain experience in marginal weather. This is irrespective of whether or not you get a mountain checkout from a school in the lower mainland. Go ahead and do the mountain checkout, just don't confuse it with the training required to safely get an airplane from ZBB to YLW and back.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by rotorspeed » Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:13 pm

I can easily get from A to B
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by CpnCrunch » Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:09 pm

ahramin wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:03 pm
How much cross country solo are you planning on doing? I got all the way through my commercial licence in the lower mainland before I started to venture into the mountains.
What route did you use for your 300nm X/C?
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by ahramin » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:46 pm

Well actually I had flown up to Port Hardy and a couple weeks later was in Vancouver WA. Successfully argued it was a flight from Port Hardy to Vancouver with many stops enroute.
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Re: Mountain checkout

Post by rotorspeed » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:45 pm

I haven't done 300 xc yet. I was looking at Victoria flying club website for the heck of it and noticed that it said you had to have the mountain checkout to rent their planes overr the mounntains
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