Flight School/College

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:01 am

hey whats up guys. i have been reading this forum for the last couple of days and i have been very interested in going into the career of aviation. i have no past experience in flying. im in high school right now and will be graduating in july, 08. i live in ontario, brampton area and one of my problems is that i havent taken physics or uni math. im currently doing college math, and i wanted to know if this would be a problem. also i wanted to know onces i graduate what should i do? i was loooking at the confed college aviation program, it looks good but its far away. also i was looking at the brampton flying school, which seems looks pretty good. another problem is that i wear glasses, my vision is pretty bad,
-3.75 on my right and -3.50 on my left eye ><. so if u guys can answer my questions i would be really greatful.

Jet2099 · Post by **Jet2099** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:21 am

You sound like me a few years back. If you want a chance into the Big 3 (Con, Seneca, and Sault), you'll need to meet their basic admission requirements which you've no doubt already seen. Out of the 3, Confed's is the least strict since you don't need the sciences. To get the proper math course, take a night school class if you can't get it through your high school. Check your local learning centres to see if and when they offer the courses you'll need. In my situation, I had already graduated and only had gr. 11 college math so I had to take 2 different math courses to meet admission requirements.

As for your eyesight, as long as you can pass the category 1 medical, you'll be okay. The doctor will mark on the medical that it is only valid if you are wearing your glasses or contacts. The eye exam during the medical generally consists of reading the wall chart with each eye, reading text close up with each eye, and a colour blindness check. Be sure to bring your glasses to the exam.

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:44 am

well right now im doing grade 11 college math and next semester ill be doning grade 12 college math. math isnt my strongest subject lol

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:56 am

To fly an aircraft, all you really need to know is basic arithmetic - addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.

Probably the toughest arithmetic you will ever be asked to perform as a pilot goes something like this:

Q: You are cruising at 120 knots. You have 40 nautical miles left to go. You have 9 gallons fuel left. Your engine is burning 10 gph. Do you have enough fuel? More importantly, will you get a blowjob tonight? And will she swallow?

A: 120 knots is 2 nm per minute, so it will take you 20 minutes to complete the 40 nm to your destination. That's one third of an hour. At 10 gallons per hour, you will burn 10/3 or 3.3 gallons. You have 9 gallons, therefore your reserve upon landing will be 9 - 3.3 or 5.7 gallons, which exceeds the 30 minute VFR fuel reserve required by CAR 602.88(3)(a)(i):

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#602_88

30 minutes of fuel is of course half an hour's worth, or 10/2 or 5 gallons.

Now to the important part of the answer. Since you had enough fuel, you will not crash (but would not burn - no fuel) short of your destination, so you will get home tonight. And, you did not violate any Canadian Aviation Regulations so you will not get any registered letters from Enforcement, which 4 out of 5 dentists agree is a leading cause of erectile dysfunction. And since you're a pilot, you wouldn't have a girlfriend who wouldn't swallow.

Q.E.D.

I oughta write the Transport exams!

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:40 pm

can some1 please tell me what i should do for my situation. what should i do after high skool. trying getting to the brampton flying skool or should i go to confed for their 2 yr program. can some1 also tell me how much would it cost to get all my training from both places. saying 0 exp to like a commerical license to i can start working with some companies or whatever

HuD 91gt · Post by **HuD 91gt** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:23 pm

Do a Cat 1 medical right now, or as soon as you want to make your first step. No need to go any farther if you can't get a medical.

Look into the colleges (If this is the route you want to take). Do they have a program thats starts from scratch, or do you need a private licence first?

If you need a private first- Start whenever you can(At your local flying school) if your not too busy in high school. If you finish highschool then start the private you won't be able to get into a class until the following fall(unless you hammer it off in the summer).

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:38 pm

where do i go get a cat 1 medical license?

SuperchargedRS · Post by **SuperchargedRS** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:27 pm

Seems like the eyesite thing is getting less and less strict, soon we will have one eyed 787 capts. lol, perhaps if we went to the 20/20 natural thing it would be easier for me to get a job post school (less competition right) lol

BTW search the forum about BFC (they even have a underground website), I would go for the sal, sen and confed if I were you.

...though you were cat for a sec w/ that avatar!

FL_CH · Post by **FL_CH** » Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:29 pm

To get aviation medical certificate, you need to go and see a TC-approved doc. Find em here:
http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/applicatio ... p?x_lang=e

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:36 am

im proly gona go to gona go confed. i checked sault's aviation program as well. so im stuck now. shoudl i go to confed college or should i go to sault college.

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:54 am

before i apply for sault and confed college should i go to flight skool and get my recreational permit or something like that?

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:40 am

I say apply to both, and make your decision later.

Both programs are good.

Sault has the cheapest Commercial Multi-IFR in Canada.

Confed has the cheapest Commercial with float rating in Canada.

In both cases, a little ground school and a few flying lessons are helpful, but you don't need any kind of licence to start. Many people have graduated both programs without ever having been in a little plane.

Good luck! And keep us updated.

-istp

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:41 am

do u guys know how much the program will cost. im proly gona have to live on compus which is gona be crapy and good at the same time. i went on both of their website and i coudlnt find how much its gona cost for the whole program. im proly gona go on a introductry flight with brampton flying school. the thing im most worried right now is my medical, my vision is very bad . its gona break my heart if i dont pass it lol. another question i have is should i go to brampton flying school and get my recreational permit before i graduate, its gona cost like $4500

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:46 am

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... t42402.htm

Go check that one out. Don't worry too much about the vision. Correctable to 20/30 and you are good to go for a cat one.

This site does cover the -3.0 diopters and 20/200 thing that they have been talking about on avcanada recently. It is an antiquated rule that doesn't really seem to be enforced much anymore. Once you have your medical it won't be a problem in the future.

If it is a problem they will probably send you to see a specialist who can provide a statement towards your medical. My own correction is -3.50 and -3.75. I wear contacts and carry backup glasses with me.

Also when I was instructing I had a student who didn't have any focal vision in one eye. I wrote a letter that he took with him to the doctor about how it hadn't affected his training up to that point. He went to see a specialst and boom cat 3.

Hope this helps.

BTD

SuperchargedRS · Post by **SuperchargedRS** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:08 pm

Dont train before,
you are going to wast your money...why pay for training prior to school when THAT exact same training is INCLUDED in your tuition,
not to mention the students w/ PPLs tend to do worse as they get complacent and it bites them in the azz.

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:42 pm

im gona apply for sault and confed. i just hope that i get good marks in skool . if any1 went to the sault or confed aviation program can u please tell me how much the full tuition is for the program

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:57 pm

djsamphard, if your writing style and use of English was like you are asking these questions I would throw your application in the garbage if you applied to us for a job as a pilot.

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:04 pm

hahhah thanks for pointng that out. thats how i write on forums. sry its a bad habit.

Chuck Ellsworth · Post by **Chuck Ellsworth** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:18 pm

hahhah thanks for pointng that out. thats how i write on forums. sry its a bad habit.

You came here looking for advice, people who recognize they have developed bad habits and do nothing to rectify same do not belong in command of commercial airplanes.

Furthermore it shows a lazy could care less attitude.

Save your money and get into politics or apply to Transport Canada.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:54 pm

Sault College would beat that out of him.

For me, I'd guess 3 years of Sault College cost me about 13,000 bucks, and a little bit of sanity. I'm getting better now.

Total OSAP debt on graduation- about $25,000.

That was in 2005, It's probably marginally higher now.

-istp

767 · Post by **767** » Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:29 pm

Hey there, Im also from Brampton. I just finished the 1 year college program at Brampton Flight College. I was in the 2006-2007 year. Im working on my instructor rating right now. When I started, I was at 0 hours and now I have a Multi IFR rating and also a Commercial License. I did it in one year. If you went to a 3 or 4 year program, it would take you that long. If your looking to go into a subsidized college, then I would reccomend Confederation becuase its only 2 years. Brampton Flight College is a private school. If you like more info then you can pm me. good luck!

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:20 pm

can someone please tell me how much the total tuition is for the aviation program at Sault, Confederation,and Constogo. im goin to be living on campus so if someone can give me a estimate on how much the total cost would be , i would really appreciate it.

i went on the constoga website they said the flight school takes 45k it self. so how much is the other tutiton and residence.

PLEAES HELP

AUGER9 · Post by **AUGER9** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:21 pm

If youre gonna go to an aviation college, go to a sibsidized one, ie Confed or Sault, not Conestoga. That way you dont pay for the flying. Confed tuition is roughly 8K total.

CYQT · Post by **CYQT** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 6:57 pm

Confed will run you up to about 8-10K
Sault will be in the 13-16 area
Conestoga will be from 60-65 thousand. Conestoga is run through the Waterloo-Wellington Flight Centre. And is not Subsidized. Personally i would recommend Confed. But the Sault is a terrific school too... from what i hear.
hope this helps.

Aaron

djsamphard · Post by **djsamphard** » Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:07 pm

thanks for telling me. im goin to aply to both sault and confed in the upcoming months. only problme im extremly sad about is that Confed college is 1700KM and SAULT is like 650km away from my house. this is gona suck to the max.